The simplest free energy system ever overlooked

[angryScientist]

Thank you ResinRat2 and FreeEnergy. Very good pointers. Now I'm not sure if I should continue with this thread or contribute to the other.

Anyway, since this idea is only a couple of days old to me I am still finding loads of good info.

"The critical pressure of a substance is the pressure required to liquefy a gas at its critical temperature."
Some critical pressures:

• Hydrogen: 12.97atm
• Oxygen: 49.77atm
• Water: 217.7atm

I calculate that hydrogen will reach it's critical pressure under about 415ft. of water.

That said, I still don't think that that matters too much because the specific gravity of liquid hydrogen (@ 1atm) is .0710. That is much lighter than water.

[angryScientist]

I made a mistake in my calculation of 415ft. I forgot to take into consideration the temperature.



With the temperature taken into account I calculate it would take about 3 miles of water to make the hydrogen change phase.

That make this whole idea a little more appealing.

[d3adp00l]

test time?

[Dingus Mungus]

I made a mistake in my calculation of 415ft. I forgot to take into consideration the temperature.

With the temperature taken into account I calculate it would take about 3 miles of water to make the hydrogen change phase.

That make this whole idea a little more appealing.

Not to nay-say but as long as you're taking water temp in to account, you should
know that the higher the temperature of the water the weaker the hydrogen bond.
So you're using a lot more energy to crack/heat the cold water and the heat well
of an ocean is too big for me to describe with numbers... So you'll lose most of
"Gibbs free energy" in your high pressure low temp electrolysis, and give up an
unimaginable ammount of energy as waste heat. The question would be how much
bouency would be required to overcome the resistance of all those emptys on
their way down along with the questions of electrode erosion in a ion rich solution.

Lots of factors to take in to account...
~Dingus Mungus

[d3adp00l]

depending on the material of the "buckets" a neutral bouyant material wieght at mid span would proly be the most eff. given the fact that you have to lift the wieght back up. At least the down traveling side would be an overal neutral effect on the system. Also kids remeber the temp differential at the bottom of the sea, its not coldest at the bottom, but at a layer that floats above the bottom, another one of waters interesting characteristics, it the conveyor system crossed the Boundary Layer it might just get the eff. to be feaseable. Better yet just put the electroyisizer near a heat vent on the ocean floor, best of both worlds heat to aid the reaction and cold high density in close prox to get high bouyancy. Like they say in realestate "location, location, location"