Self Charging Leyden

[sm0ky2]

>"If the ink held a positive charge which should be the same as
as a superimposed charge over the original corona treatment
negative charge, then why was the interior so positively charged?"

This is completely wrong. the entire reason they USE the corona treatment is because the mettalic particles have an OPPOSITE charge and are ATTRACTED to the ions (temporary charging the bottles surface)

this NEGATIVE charge is what is inducing the POSITIVE charge inside the bottle.

this CANNOT happen any other way.
if it were the way you are trying to say it is, the charge inside the bottle would be nagative.

when the top of the bottles were opened the spark jumped from the neck to the liquid (or vise versa depending on you perspective of the charge imbalance) meaning the charge had to travel from the underlayer of ink across the surface of the bottle to the neck region where it jumped through the air. For this to occur, yes the air on the surface of the bottle (when charged) was partially "ionized/plazma gas". this occurs any time there is a charge imbalance and free moving air around the charged object. this layer of charged air is a result of the EMF created by the charge and is infinitely thin at very small charge levels and grows with the intensity of the charge.
The charge doesnt travel in the insulator, it travels ON the insulator.  What occurs inside the insulator is more similar to solid-state electronics than static electric, but is a result of the static charge imbalance.

the outside of the bottle/capacitor DID in fact measure a charge, the portion of the bottle that did NOT, was the insulative outer layer of the ink. (possibly caused from oxidation, or as you inferred earlier "ionic platic"?)

[argona369]

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[sm0ky2]

>"Have you had a chance to  perform those experiments you authoritively talked about?"

ive done the experiments with the baloons and plastic combs several times with the kids.

as far as the pvc goes, if your pipe is acting in a manner inconsistent with what i proposed then you are doing something, i.e.- holding he pipe with your hands ? that is allowing the charge to equalize with your body thus not shocking you, this is why i specifically stated to have SOMEONE else charge the pipe.

We used to shock each other with the (non-rubbed) ends of our pvc potato-guns in college, so i know the charge travels to the opposite end of the pipe. just as is does on the baloon-surface and all over the entire comb.

Now lets get back to this Corona Treatment. Think about this - a "negative" charge applied to the surface of the bottle would REPEL negatively charged metallic particles would it not? This would defeat the purpose of using it to apply the ink to the bottle. The charge applied to the bottle during painting - was POSITIVE. It does not work any other way.

[argona369]

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[argona369]

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