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Self Charging Leyden

Started by argona369, July 02, 2007, 03:02:23 PM

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sm0ky2

i've examined the shower scenerio, that was actually my first thought, but upon closer analysis of whats happening with the flowing water, (even if the botle was palaced directly under the shower-stream) is not consistent with the observed phenomena concerning ionized-metallic ink/paint. this problem was surfaced several times in the packaging industry and there are very nice methods in place for dealing with it. which is why we dont have products shocking us all the time.

the energy came from the applying of the paint, and it charges the conductor inside the bottle (the shampoo).
This explains why after several discharged the "self-charging" action stops.

also the exact ammount of carge can be calculated, by the time it takes for x-ammount of oppositely charged electrolyte sollution to balance out the charge of the bottle. thats a rough way of figuring the numbers AFTER the problem occurs, but more importantly this same charge can be calculated by the mol count of the metalic ink/paint and its ability to hold a charge. This will give you a more accurate measurement, partly becaus ethe charging force (i.e. the ionization-printing process) is much more powerful than the charge density of the metalic ink/paint.  So it can be known how much charge the ink can hold at maximum. and by measuring the charge from each spark, you could estimate the number of times the shampoo-capacitor will spark after opening closing (with a constant induction-time in between discharges) before the energy is depleted and it becomes a normal shampo bottle.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

hansvonlieven

G'day Smokey and all,

Thanks for elucidating what seems to be a reasonable scenario, perhaps my analysis was a bit hasty.  :-)

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx

argona369


sm0ky2

@argona

ok, ill try to put this into a language that might come across more understandable....

to apply the ink in uniform fashion the apply a charge to the bottle itself, which attracts the paint/ink to the bottle
this charge may may not be balanced out by the metallic ink particles, leaving a net imbalance of charge on the outside of the bottle.

this charge inbalance induces a charge inside the bottle, equal but opposite.
during this process, a layer forms roughly in the center of the plastic wall seperating the two charged areas.
this layer starts off being slightly conductive (though it is an insulator) as the charge imbalace is creating an equal and opposite charge on he other side of the plastic, once this charge imbalance reaches a certain point, the net charge passing through the bottle becomes 0 in the very center, then this "net 0" area will increase in width as the charges on both sides become greater (they amplify each other to some extent because the charge inside the bottle is electrically isolated). The best way i can describe this action, is to compare it to the semiconductor in a PV-cell.  Except in this case, the electrons are not comming from photon-refraction, but rather from the "ionized" metellic particles. Over time the charge in the metallic particles passes "through" the bottle to the inside, balancing out the charges, and reducing the overall charge of the system.

As for the charge disipating into the air around the bottle - this would only take place in certain conditions
i.e. - similar to the conditions of the bottle sitting in a saline-sollution.
that is to say that the charge induced inside the bottle ("holes") attempt to attract the electrons on the outer surface of the bottle, as the negative charge inside tte bottle gets larger, it will (in most conditions) actually attract more electrons from the air - but this is temporary as when the bottle Discharges these electrons flow through the circuit across the spark gap.

hope that makes more sense.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

hansvonlieven

G'day Smokey and all,

Easy to check Smokey, just dunk the bottle in salt water and see if the effect disappears.

Hans von Lieven
When all is said and done, more is said than done.     Groucho Marx