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help with my Newman machine

Started by Peacemaker, July 09, 2007, 06:09:23 PM

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Peacemaker

Hey all,

Stefan, are you able to give me the info I requested in my last post?

Ted, tell more about the rotoverter engine.  Schematic???

I need to get torgue.

What about the geometric orientation of the magnets in the permanant magnet generator?

Peace,
PeaceMaker

naby

Quote from: hartiberlin on July 11, 2007, 02:17:12 AM
Hi,
cut the yellow connection to the minus pole of the battery and instead connect the red wire to the minuspole.
Then connect the other end of the red wire to the conducting axis (rod) loosely, so the axis can slip
rotate with it.

Now let the free coil end wire slip connect to the shaft over a taped portion at the end ofthe shaft.
So you only connect the coil to the battery for say 30 degrees of rotation of the shaft.
The other 330 degrees are taped out, where the coil wire does not make any connection
to the battery.
So the coil only gets a pulse every 330 degrees for 30 degrees.
These 30 degrees must be put this way, that it is the optimal angle to
accelerate the magnet inside the coil, so it gets the most mechanical output power.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

so let me see if i get this straight

electricity runs from the battery through the wire coil only for 30 degrees and this induces magnetic field that pulses the magnet giving him kinetic energy...
the magnet rotates the rest of 330 degrees by inertia, im assuming that in this time he is inducing electricity in the wire coil to give it back into the battery, the electricity that is generated in 330 degree spin by the magnet is greater then the electricity used in 30 degree spin...

is this right?

so during the 30 degree spin electricity is used from the battery and during the 330 degree spin electricity is generated in a higher amount then the one used from the battery ?

i dont understand how does the electricity from the coil induced by the magnet in 330 degree spin is pushed back in the battery when there is only one connection from the coil to the battery during this portion of the spin?

am i missing something, because sometimes i miss the obvious things

can you please explain the principles to more detail or show me a link to this


hartiberlin

Quote from: Peacemaker on July 12, 2007, 05:10:51 PM

Stefan, are you able to give me the info I requested in my last post?

Ted, tell more about the rotoverter engine.  Schematic???



Please look into the rotoverter board topics.
Thanks.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

hartiberlin

Quote from: naby on July 16, 2007, 05:43:04 PM
Quote from: hartiberlin on July 11, 2007, 02:17:12 AM
Hi,
cut the yellow connection to the minus pole of the battery and instead connect the red wire to the minuspole.
Then connect the other end of the red wire to the conducting axis (rod) loosely, so the axis can slip
rotate with it.

Now let the free coil end wire slip connect to the shaft over a taped portion at the end ofthe shaft.
So you only connect the coil to the battery for say 30 degrees of rotation of the shaft.
The other 330 degrees are taped out, where the coil wire does not make any connection
to the battery.
So the coil only gets a pulse every 330 degrees for 30 degrees.
These 30 degrees must be put this way, that it is the optimal angle to
accelerate the magnet inside the coil, so it gets the most mechanical output power.

Hope this helps.

Regards, Stefan.

so let me see if i get this straight

electricity runs from the battery through the wire coil only for 30 degrees and this induces magnetic field that pulses the magnet giving him kinetic energy...
the magnet rotates the rest of 330 degrees by inertia, im assuming that in this time he is inducing electricity in the wire coil to give it back into the battery, the electricity that is generated in 330 degree spin by the magnet is greater then the electricity used in 30 degree spin...

is this right?

so during the 30 degree spin electricity is used from the battery and during the 330 degree spin electricity is generated in a higher amount then the one used from the battery ?

i dont understand how does the electricity from the coil induced by the magnet in 330 degree spin is pushed back in the battery when there is only one connection from the coil to the battery during this portion of the spin?

am i missing something, because sometimes i miss the obvious things

can you please explain the principles to more detail or show me a link to this



Hi during the 330 degrees there happens nothing but the magnet is just rotating due to
its inertia.
Then the commutator makes conatct again then there is a big back current spike and also,
when the commutator switches off the coil from the battery and a spark jumps the few degrees
the commutator has rotated already ahead, so the spark jumps back to the
commutator plates and can push the high voltage via the spark back to the battery.

Due to the high number of turns on your coil you have a very big  Back EMF voltage at the coil,
when the commutator switches the coil off from the battery.
So this voltage is high enough to jump the distance and push the voltage pulse back to the battery.
As this Back EMF induction voltage is much higher than the battery voltage,
the current is negative ( back to the battery)
and it recharges the battery.
Stefan Hartmann, Moderator of the overunity.com forum

naby

thx

right

so the magnet is actually inducing voltage in the coil during the 330 degree area, and transfers that electricity via sparks,and this process is for some reason more then 100% efficient

awesome , its so great you can induce high voltage with high number of coils without the need for increased power.

reminds me of semi conductors principle, one way pass, very nifty.

ok questions:

1) What if wire end from the coil was linked to a broader metal plate , placed around or near the commutator so that electric field between commutator and metal plate was stronger so that the spark can jump more often and more easily.Would that increase the energy transfer  into the battery, or make it any easier?

2)what if i put electro magnet with direct current from the same battery instead of permanent magnet.
i think electromagnets would give much stronger magnetic field on larger devices then normal magnets?

and there is one more question that is bothering me
3)How do i know that the energy output is not just the energy from the magnetic field of the permanent magnet. If it is , this would be a machine that only utilities the energy that is stored in magnetic field. How do i know that this machine is really tapping some unknown energy source?