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The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

Started by ltseung888, July 20, 2007, 02:43:44 AM

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chrisC

Quote from: ltseung888 on March 30, 2008, 10:59:26 PM
Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for your post.  ......

Frankly, I doubt whether a forum member with no formal training in calculus would make any sense with our advanced discussion.  ...

May be Top Gun, Forever and I are the only posting members who can understand the discussion.  ...
@all forum members, if you do not understand the discussion and the mathematics, you are not alone.  Just be an observer.


Hahaha! In the real world, people who invent altered egos in order to talk to themselves are called IDIOTS or people with Signs of Schizophrenia.

Please continue talking to yourself, very soon you'll really need your medication.

cheers
chrisC

ps: As to the professor answering your posts.... you could be waiting a very long time! I'll find a community college Physics 101 class if I were you.


Top Gun

Mr. Tseung.

The concept of integration is to break a complicated function into small intervals.  The small intervals can be calculated reasonably accurately.  The early people quoted in the reference used such techniques to calculate the area of circles.

The line integral of work is to break down work into tiny intervals.  The tension of the string may vary over a large angle.  However, if the change of the angle is small, the tension may be regarded as constant over that small interval.

Thus we can view the line integral of the work done by the tension of the string as the sum of the work done over multiple small intervals.  You resolved force and displacement both into vertical and horizontal components.  That is not new.  That is well-established engineering practice.

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The vector arithmetic of force x displacement can be broken down into
(1)  Vertical work = vertical component of force x vertical component of displacement (normal arithmetic)

(2)  Horizontal work = horizontal component of force x horizontal component of displacement (normal arithmetic)

(a)   Do you agree with the statements (1) and (2)?
(b)   Do you agree that the two statements (1) and (2) can be applied to the pendulum under the first Lee-Tseung Pull?

Thus my answer to (a) is yes.  If the answer is no, then all the engineering drawings over the last few hundred years are wrong.  You are on very safe grounds.

My answer to (b) is also yes.  You are only applying a common known technique to a special situation.  I can see no fault in that.

I can stand by you and defend the two above statements to any authority to any level.  I advise you to ignore all non-scientific posts from the likes of Keon and ChrisC.  Knowledgeable experts will read our high quality discussions sooner or later.  Scientific Truths will be proven and will have their place in history.

ltseung888

Quote from: Top Gun on March 31, 2008, 02:01:33 AM
The line integral of work is to break down work into tiny intervals.  The tension of the string may vary over a large angle.  However, if the change of the angle is small, the tension may be regarded as constant over that small interval.

Thus we can view the line integral of the work done by the tension of the string as the sum of the work done over multiple small intervals.  You resolved force and displacement both into vertical and horizontal components.  That is not new.  That is well-established engineering practice .

Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for your speedy reply and support.

In that case, do you agree that even in the more advanced line integral analysis:

(a)   There will always be a vertical work done component in the first Lee-Tseung Pulled pendulum?

(b)   The horizontal work done component is from our first Lee-Tseung Pull.  The horizontal energy is indeed supplied externally.  We cannot possibly supply the vertical work done via our horizontal force.  Do you agree?


(c)    The vertical energy can only come from Gravity via the string.  Do you agree?

I do agree with you that I should ignore the likes of keon1 and christC totally.  They do serve an important purpose ? helping to provide insult training.  I expect that in the open presentations internationally, Lee and I will get jeering from such people.  I am waiting for actual New Energy products before appearing at such hostile international seminars.
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.

Top Gun

Quote from: ltseung888 on March 31, 2008, 04:03:23 AM
Quote from: Top Gun on March 31, 2008, 02:01:33 AM
The line integral of work is to break down work into tiny intervals.  The tension of the string may vary over a large angle.  However, if the change of the angle is small, the tension may be regarded as constant over that small interval.

Thus we can view the line integral of the work done by the tension of the string as the sum of the work done over multiple small intervals.  You resolved force and displacement both into vertical and horizontal components.  That is not new.  That is well-established engineering practice .

Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for your speedy reply and support.

In that case, do you agree that even in the more advanced line integral analysis:

(a)   There will always be a vertical work done component in the first Lee-Tseung Pulled pendulum?

(b)   The horizontal work done component is from our first Lee-Tseung Pull.  The horizontal energy is indeed supplied externally.  We cannot possibly supply the vertical work done via our horizontal force.  Do you agree?

(c)    The vertical energy can only come from Gravity via the string.  Do you agree?

I do agree with you that I should ignore the likes of keon1 and christC totally.  They do serve an important purpose ? helping to provide insult training.  I expect that in the open presentations internationally, Lee and I will get jeering from such people.  I am waiting for actual New Energy products before appearing at such hostile international seminars.

Dear Mr. Tseung,

Answer to your questions:

(a)   Do you agree that even in the more advanced line integral analysis, there will always be a vertical work done component in the first Lee-Tseung Pulled pendulum?

I fully agree.  The line integral analysis helps to make the mathematics more accurate.  It does not change the underlying physics.  The underlying physics is that there is tension in the string and there is displacement.  The common engineering practice is to resolve the force and the displacement into vertical and horizontal components.  The vertical and the horizontal components can then be calculated separately.  You had no problem presenting at Tsinghua University in 2006.  The professors and research students were the cream of China.  They understood the physics and mathematics thoroughly.  They are a very different group from the forum members here.  If you present at MIT or Cambridge University, you will meet similar audience.

(b)   The horizontal work done component is from our first Lee-Tseung Pull.  The horizontal energy is indeed supplied externally.  We cannot possibly supply the vertical work done via our horizontal force.  Do you agree?

I absolutely agree.  The horizontal energy supplied by F is already accounted for in moving the pendulum bob against the horizontal component of the tension of the string.  You cannot do double accounting as stated by the professors at Harvard University in 2005.  In addition, a horizontal force cannot do vertical work unless a ?machine such as a pulley? has been used to change its direction.  In the simple pendulum, I see no such machine.  Thus I fully agree that the vertical work done cannot be from F.

(c)   The vertical energy can only come from Gravity via the string.  Do you agree?

That is the most logical observation at present.  I know that mankind can already use Gravitational Energy via the turbine at a dam.  However, the water needs to be evaporated, comes down as rain to repeat the cycle.  Thus, using Gravitational Energy is not new.  Using it via Lee-Tseung Pulls on a simple pendulum is new.  The cycle is almost immediate.  There is no need to wait for the energy from the Sun to evaporate the water.

I think that you should discuss the other slides now.  There is no point in waiting for comments from other Forum Members.  If they cannot understand or accept Slides 10-12, they will never understand the Lee-Tseung theory.  If they understand or accept Slides 10-12, they will be able to understand the remaining Slides.  Like you said: ?Sow seeds.  Some will fall on hard rock.  Some will fall on fertile soil.  In Internet Forums, your seeds will fall on deserts, oceans, icebergs, cities and rice fields.  A few might fall on fertile soil in uninhabited places.  That is extremely rare.?

ltseung888

Quote from: Top Gun on March 31, 2008, 05:19:21 AM

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I think that you should discuss the other slides now.  There is no point in waiting for comments from other Forum Members.  If they cannot understand or accept Slides 10-12, they will never understand the Lee-Tseung theory.  If they understand or accept Slides 10-12, they will be able to understand the remaining Slides.  Like you said: ?Sow seeds.  Some will fall on hard rock.  Some will fall on fertile soil.  In Internet Forums, your seeds will fall on deserts, oceans, icebergs, cities and rice fields.  A few might fall on fertile soil in uninhabited places.  That is extremely rare.?


Dear Top Gun,

Thank you for your answers.  I believe XXX should be satisfied with the answer to his question.

I shall take a short trip for 5 days.

I shall start discussing the other slides when I come back.   Please help to answer appropriate posts while I am away.  Thank you.
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.