The Lee-Tseung Lead Out Theory

[Kul_ash]

Dear Mr. Itseung,

Ok now I have read your new presentation also. Now tell me one thing, again in this presentation, where is the proof of your "lead out theory" which is different than previous one?

Now lets take it slide by slide:
Slide no.3 :
AND THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU HAVE MADE IN SLIDE NO. 3 IS THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN HORIZONTAL FORCE F ACTING AS IF IT IS A CONTINUOUS FORCE. AND THEN ON OTHER HAND YOU CONSIDER IT AS A"PULSE" FOCE!

Dear Kul_ash,

Thank you for raising the question.  There is nothing wrong with slide 3.  It represents the first Lee-Tseung Pull.  The horizontal force (F) is constant.

You misunderstood our use of ?Pulse Force?.  Shruggedatlas made the same mistake some months back.  She stared at the 5 bob pendulum toy and interpreted the hitting of a moving bob to the other resting bobs as ?Pulse Force? that would lead out gravitational energy. 

Let me repeat the Lee-Tseung Pull or Pulse here again.  In the case of the simple pendulum:
(1)   The first Lee-Tseung Pull is to apply a constant horizontal force F.  The bob will have both horizontal and vertical displacement.  The tension of the string will increase from T to T1.  At equilibrium, the horizontal component of the tension of the string will be equal to F.  Or T1 x sin(a) = F.  Energy supplied by the Horizontal Force F = work done = Hori. Force x Hori. Displacement.  This is only part of the input energy.  The vertical energy is NOT supplied by this horizontal force.  Gravitational energy is Lead Out and enters the penduum system.

(2)   At the end of the first Lee-Tseung Pull, the bob will be at the highest RHS position.  There is no bob velocity.  We then let go.  The bob will swing towards the LHS and back again.  During this swing, no gravitational energy is Lead Out.

(3)   The second Lee-Tseung Pull can be applied when the bob is at the highest RHS position.  The velocity at that instant is zero.  The best Lee-Tseung Pull is NOT horizontal but tangential to motion.  The bob will be displaced further horizontally and higher vertically.  Gravitational energy is again Lead Out.

(4)   The Bob is let go again. The bob will swing towards the LHS and back again.  During this swing, no gravitational energy is Lead Out.

(5)   The third and subsequent Lee-Tseung Pulls are repeat of steps (3) and (4).  The amplitude of oscillation will increase.  Energy can be drawn out with resulting decrease of amplitude.  The energy drawn out is from both the horizontal energy supplied (2 units) and the Lead Out vertical energy (1 unit) approximately.

The Pulse refers to the Lee-Tseung Pull(s).  It is not the definition from the Oxford Dictionary.  The attached file in reply 1106 explains this in much greater detail.

In my signature: there is the statement We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time..  You should have seen that over 600 times. 

Please do not use your own interpretation of Pulse Force in the Lee-Tseung theory.  Slide 3 cannot be wrong mathematically and in terms of physics.  Your interpretation of Pulse Force caused your confusion.  Dozens of posts in this forum and in Steorn.com already addressed this particular issue.  Some suggested that we should not use the term pulse force at all.  That is why we have the new term ? Lee-Tseung Pulls at the right time.

Oh My God!! Are you writting your own Physics while writing your own theory?

1. How can you apply a pure horizontal force to the radial motion? If you are going to lift the pendulum, then the force has to be tangential. Show me how you give simlpy horizontal motion to a swing!
2. You say first pull is horizontal and second pull is tangential and you all analysis depends on first horizontal pull. Where is the analysis of tangential force.
3. Do you even know basics of Physics? You yourself have shown mg acting downwards. Then how come resulting displacement in upwards direction? Has the gravity lead out 2 units, one to over come itself and one to give upwards displacement?
4. Has this thought ever occured to you that, the tangential force you have applied will have a horizontal component and vertical component? Horizontal component will be used to over come air resistance and give horizontal movement and the vertical component will be used to over come mg that is gravity and give vertical displacement?
5. Are you really kidding us or yourself?
6. You yourself has shown downwards acting Resultant force, which has caused because horizontal force component and downwards acting mg. It will always have vertical component in downward direction. How come you say gravity has then given you upward directional force?

The thing really amazes me is that your first pull is "so called" horizontal and second pull is tangential. Then why cant you give horizontal force even at that position in second pull
The fact Mr. tseung is that there can't be possible pure horizontal pull in the first place. The force you are going to apply will always have vertical upwards and horizontal component and that is why the bob is lifted. You first pull is continuous and second pull is not but still your analysis is based on continuous force only.

Mr. Tseung I reall doubt that you are overlooking so many things just to prove something impossible.

Has a thought occured to you that when system gets in resonance and you apply energy at PE max and KE 0 is also going to increase the amplitude of the system?
If you are going to "pull" the pendulum when its PE max that means at the end of swing, obviously won't it increase its amplitude as again its going to provide vertical component to overcome gravity and horizontal component to over come air resistance???
Where is you lead energy coming in picture??

You really need to explain me how when mg is acting downwards, producing upward displacement? That will mean gravity not only giving you one unit but two units!!! And why would gravity do that??

I think this is something out of normal physics.

[Top Gun]

Dear Mr. Itseung,
Oh My God!! Are you writting your own Physics while writing your own theory? *** I do not need to!  They are already in O-level physics textbooks.  I only need to correct the misuse of the Law of Conservation of Energy when applied to the pendulum with a horizontal pull.

1. How can you apply a pure horizontal force to the radial motion? If you are going to lift the pendulum, then the force has to be tangential. Show me how you give simple horizontal motion to a swing!

2. You say first pull is horizontal and second pull is tangential and you all analysis depends on first horizontal pull. Where is the analysis of tangential force?

Dear Kul_ash,

I hope you do not mind my jumping in.  I could not resist a good technical debate.

I think you totally misinterpreted the Lee-Tseung Pulls.  Tseung did used the term ?pulse? at one time ? even in the PCT patent application.  You were not the first or the only one to raise strong objections to that term.

The term that may cause less confusion is the new term previously unknown in Physics ? Lee-Tseung Pull at the right time.  That Lee-Tseung Pull needs to be applied periodically.

Now to answer your specific question. 
(1a) How can you apply a pure horizontal force to the radial motion?
The first Lee-Tseung Pull is applied to the stationary pendulum.  We do not need to consider radial motion as we are using statics (or no motion physics).  There is no motion initially.  There is no motion at the highest displaced position on the RHS.   We are comparing the force, displacement, work, energy at the initial position and at this end position (maximum RHS position).

(1b) If you are going to lift the pendulum, then the force has to be tangential.
In the first Lee-Tseung Pull, the direction of the Pull is horizontal.  The direction of the String is vertical.  You may say that the initial force F is tangential. 

(1c) Show me how you give simple horizontal motion to a swing!
Go to the Park with a swing.  Bring your son or a child.  You can give an initial push or pull in almost any direction.  You may even try to push the swing vertically.  That might not cause any motion (if your upward force is less than the combined weight of the child and the swing).  However, almost any horizontal or inclined pull or push will move the swing from its initial rest position.

Concluding (1) ? In our analysis of the first Lee-Tseung Pull, we consider the force, displacement, work and energy at the initial rest position and at the new displaced position before we let go of the constant externally supplied force F. 

2. You say first pull is horizontal and second pull is tangential and you all analysis depends on first horizontal pull. Where is the analysis of tangential force?

Please read reply 1106 on page 28 of this thread.  The attached document is   Cosmic_Energy_Machines5.doc (259 KB - downloaded 20 times.)  Appendix A of this document discusses the tangential pulls.

If the first Lee-Tseung Pull can lead out gravitational energy, we need not confuse the members of this open forum with the more complicated second and subsequent pulls.  Those who have stronger mathematical background can read that attached document.  Research Students at Tsinghua University said: ?We can do it ourselves.?  You can double check the mathematics and ask for the detailed spreadsheet later.

[shruggedatlas]

OK, so under the scenario below, there would be infinite energy being lead out, right?  Let's say the horizontal Lee-Tseung pull causes the weight to lift by 10cm.  There is no horizontal movement by the weight.  Therefore, the ratio is 10/0 = infinity!

And what's more, all the work is being done by the string.  We all know that a horizontal force cannot cause vertical movement.  That is impossible.  So therefore, it is the string "leading out" energy.

[chrisC]

Oh My God!! Are you writting your own Physics while writing your own theory?
....

I think this is something out of normal physics.

It's not normal Physics, it's the Tseung Delusional Physics!
That's why he continues to believe he is correct.

cheers
chrisC

[ltseung888]

OK, so under the scenario below, there would be infinite energy being lead out, right?  Let's say the horizontal Lee-Tseung pull causes the weight to lift by 10cm.  There is no horizontal movement by the weight.  Therefore, the ratio is 10/0 = infinity!

And what's more, all the work is being done by the string.  We all know that a horizontal force cannot cause vertical movement.  That is impossible.  So therefore, it is the string "leading out" energy.

Dear shruggedatlas,

When would you contact your physics and mathematics knowledgeable university friends?

You are correct in using a pulley to change a horizontal force to a vertical one.

But in the pendulum system, where are the pulleys or equivalent?

You have three forces.  In Physics, you can analyze these three force in terms of their force, displacement, work and energy.  You can compare the initial rest position with the maximum displaced position on the RHS.

Please ask your Physics friends to explain that to you if you cannot follow the hundreds of posts here.