Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

[Earl]

Hi Eldarion!
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We need the orthogonal vector to turn the 2D planar field into a 3D vortex field. Thats what the MAGVID people were saying.

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It is that simple.  Rotate electrical charges in a circle, then then punch it orthogonally to create a vortex.  The only things between now and success are a "few small details" to be trimmed up.

Earl

[eldarion]

Hi all,

Thanks for the encouragement.   This whole setup has been on the back burner for a couple of weeks while I worked on other things, but I think it may be time to pull it back out and try some things again!

Regarding the details to be worked out:
If the goal is simply to rotate charges in a circle, there are probably far simpler ways to do this, but I won't go there.

I did fire it up last night and noted that there is a small (~60mV) DC bias on the output from the secondary.  My guess is that we need to have high voltage spikes on the control coils (possibly from back-EMF spikes on control coil disengage) in order to drag the charges around the secondary, just like Tao's posting so long ago.

The only issue with that is that when the pulse fires off, the generated electric field will both buck and boost the DC current flow in the collector.  (Think of placing a high voltage charge near a wire--it will repel electrons both directions down the wire, not just one)  I have yet to figure out a way around this issue.

Jason,

I would be very interested to hear about your interesting experiments.  You never know what might suddenly cause everything to "click" and start working.

Onwards as always...

Eldarion

[Bob Boyce]

Hi all,
Thanks for the encouragement.   This whole setup has been on the back burner for a couple of weeks while I worked on other things, but I think it may be time to pull it back out and try some things again!
Regarding the details to be worked out:
If the goal is simply to rotate charges in a circle, there are probably far simpler ways to do this, but I won't go there.
I did fire it up last night and noted that there is a small (~60mV) DC bias on the output from the secondary.  My guess is that we need to have high voltage spikes on the control coils (possibly from back-EMF spikes on control coil disengage) in order to drag the charges around the secondary, just like Tao's posting so long ago.
The only issue with that is that when the pulse fires off, the generated electric field will both buck and boost the DC current flow in the collector.  (Think of placing a high voltage charge near a wire--it will repel electrons both directions down the wire, not just one)  I have yet to figure out a way around this issue.

Jason,
I would be very interested to hear about your interesting experiments.  You never know what might suddenly cause everything to "click" and start working.

Onwards as always...
Eldarion

Eldarion,

You are correct. As you pulse a primary, there is a shock wave that travels in both directions, but you are looking at it from an overall perspective, and not accounting for the tiny details that are so important. Consider this in relation to time and space (direction}. As fast as it occurs, to really understand this, I want you to slice that pulse event up into tiny fragments of time, and picture in your mind what occurs as that pulse travels down that wire in the winding. As you pulse the winding, the potential impulse travels from the driven end of the coil, down that coil, imparting a bi-directional spin (2 axis rotation) to the shock wave that is traveling towards the undriven end. The energy of that impulse is additive from turn to turn in the driven winding, imparting additional spin energy and amplitude to the shock wave as it passes along. This is what I meant when I likened this to a particle accellerator. The counter shock wave on the other hand, does not get this reinforcing energy, as the counter of each has opposing 2 axis rotational energies. The result is the shock waves travelling CCW are well formed, in spin phase, and are very uniform. While the CW travelling opposing shock waves are poorly formed and out of spin phase. This means that while rotation in one direction is correct, the other rotational component of spin is in the wrong direction. These counter shock waves do not even cancel out the desired shock waves due to the phasing and velocity difference. They do not add up, therefore they are just as noise and are to be ignored.

This is the main reason that the direction of winding is so important in this design. Direction of rotation can be related to the orientation of the earths magnetic field, that only determines whether the unit bucks or boosts in relation to the location on earth. While that impacts efficiency, it is not nearly as important as the direction of spin. The wrong direction of spin determines which subatomic particles we are coupling to.

I hope this helps in visualizing.

Bob

[Jdo300]

Hi Bob,

Thank you so much for the information about the rotation of the shock wave. I have been agonizing over understanding how the shock wave can only go one direction when the field is ejecting waves going both directions when you fire the coil. Is there any specific name for the effect of the waves adding going one way and canceling when going the other way? I would like to study this effect more to understand it better. I know you talked about how in one direction the wave couples to the molecules and in the other direction it doesn't. Is that magnetic resonance or something else responsible for that?

God Bless,
Jason O

[eldarion]

Hi Bob,

Thank you for that explanation--it helps quite a bit.

I can now also take a stab as to why my setup isn't working--I am using IRF510s, and they are taking almost 25ns to switch on.  Not good!  With that slow turn-on time and the "short" primary coils that we are using (comapred to the speed of light), there is no shock wave forming in my setup.

I am ordering some IRF540s, IRFPS3810s, and PCP116s (as you have recommended for the hydroxy system) and I will see if I can get faster switching times with those.

Eldarion