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Eldarion and Bruce's build of Bob's Energy Converter

Started by eldarion, July 27, 2007, 12:58:39 AM

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Jdo300

Hello All,

For those wondering about the phase shifting problem. I have been working on this on for quite some time. At this point, I haven't learned how to program a micro controller or an FPGA so I have been figuring out how to do it with discrete components.

Below I attached a PDF circuit diagram of a simulated control circuit that can implement both the pulsed and rotational modes. It also includes precision phase and pulse width control. I have already tested and proven the entire circuit in the simulator and have built part of it with only one channel (have to finish it yet). This circuit should do what we need. and you only need three ICs for and a single function generator input for the control logic. The phase shifting and pulse width control is accomplished with two two RC circuits.

It will work great but keep in mind that the pulse width and phase shift will have to be adjusted every time you change the frequency. But this shouldn't be a major problem once you find the resonant frequency of your coils. For those of you who may have Multisim, I also included the simulation file also. Please let me know what you think.

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. Note that the Schmitt triggers are not absolutely necessary, you can replace them with regular NAND gates. Also, I'm using all CMOS logic so I can drive the MOSFET drivers on 9V in my actual circuit.

eldarion

Well, I thought I might as well give an update here.

I have been fiddling with my controller and a decently wound 3-phase toroid I scrounged up from a computer power supply. 

I am beginning to think that Earl was right--no matter what I do with my power FETs and driver chips, they suck down tremendous amounts of input power, and develop terrible waveforms across the primary coils of the toroid.

So, I think I'll give the zero input power folks a chance here. ;D  I can easily build a board with three of Earl's 10ns pulse generators on it that will plug into my controller instead of the power MOSFET board, and we'll see what happens.  I tend to think you guys are correct, as Bob has been strongly emphasizing that extremely short, clean pulses are required.  I guess the primaries are more of a "catalyst" to the reaction than anything else!

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

Earl

Hi Eldarion,

A year ago if someone had read to me what Earl is saying today, I would have thought Earl was totally crazy, out of his mind.  It is extremely difficult for a traditional brain to wrap itself around RE.  The idea that you can have a catalyst with close to no input power is a tough nut to accept.  Half of me is still fighting it.  Becoming a self-taught Aether Engineer is not easy.  I'm trying the best I can and hoping that I am really not crazy.

Regards, Earl

Quote from: eldarion on August 10, 2007, 12:45:52 PM
Well, I thought I might as well give an update here.

I have been fiddling with my controller and a decently wound 3-phase toroid I scrounged up from a computer power supply. 

I am beginning to think that Earl was right--no matter what I do with my power FETs and driver chips, they suck down tremendous amounts of input power, and develop terrible waveforms across the primary coils of the toroid.

So, I think I'll give the zero input power folks a chance here. ;D  I can easily build a board with three of Earl's 10ns pulse generators on it that will plug into my controller instead of the power MOSFET board, and we'll see what happens.  I tend to think you guys are correct, as Bob has been strongly emphasizing that extremely short, clean pulses are required.  I guess the primaries are more of a "catalyst" to the reaction than anything else!

Eldarion
"It is through science that we prove, but through intuition that we discover." - H. Poincare

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"As we look ahead, we have an expression in Shell, which we like to use, and that is just as the Stone Age did not end for the lack of rocks, the oil and gas age will not end for the lack oil and gas, but rather technology will move us forward." John Hofmeister, president Shell Oil Company

eldarion

Wow is it quiet in here lately! :D

While waiting for the cores to arrive, I have been engaging in several experiments to determine the fundamental principle behind the TPU.  From what I can tell, Bob is exactly correct when he says that an EM interference pattern is responsible for the effects.  I never really doubted what Bob was saying, but I had to prove it to myself anyway. ;D

From what I can tell, the primaries are simply antennas that radiate to create the interference pattern, and as such, they should be:
a.) Open Ended
b.) Driven with fast pulses
c.) Precise!  We may be dealing with GHz interference patterns here.

I found this applet that can simulate 3 source plane wave interference.
http://www.falstad.com/ripple/

Try it!  Check "stopped", select 3 source, single frequency interference, and set the speed of the simulation as low as it will go.  Crank the resolution up all the way.  Arrange the three sources in a triangle pattern (like Bob's TPU viewed from above) and click clear waves.  Then uncheck "stopped" and watch!

On the several times I did it, a rotational field was actually set up! It was really cool to watch!  It was even unstable (the direction of "rotation" would randomly reverse, etc.  Just another thing lining up perfectly with Bob and SM's comments... :))

I am still not fully certain of the mechanism at work behind the HVDC bias, but I think the magnetic bias may help to set the preferred direction of rotation for the vortex--it may stabilize and enhance the reaction all at the same time.

Just some thoughts...

Eldarion

EDIT: I also wanted to mention that since the primary coils are open-ended, they could be acting as 1/4 wave resonators that "amplify" the signals from the pulse generator.  Connecting them the conventional way would destroy this effect...
EDIT2: For those wanting more information on quarter wave resonators, here is a good link: http://www.ttr.com/corum/
EDIT3: Take a look here: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mssd/jed/experimental.html  Someone (Bob?) mentioned that the TPU is a magnifying transmitter and receiver all in one...
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine

eldarion

Bob, I hope you don't mind me reposting this here, but I think it is of critical importance! :)
Quote from: Bob Boyce link=http://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=14773#14773
Hello Gary.

You are correct, if you drive any single winding on that toroid with an AC waveform, you will not see anything but single phase AC output on all the other windings. Where this phase factor comes into play is, instead of driving with AC, you drive each of the 120 degree coils in phase with very sharp and narrow unipolar negative DC pulses. The energies that are in phase will be additive. Now apply a nominal 160 VDC positive bias (through a high value resistor or LPF ) at one end of the single winding that is wound 360 degrees. At the other end of that winding, use a DC blocking cap, and apply that signal to a load (120V light bulb works well). Now as you are applying pulses and bias, start to shift phase very so slightly of phase B and phase C and observe the effects. You will not need to adjust but a fraction of a degree. If you do not see the effects, then your pulses may not be of sharp enough rise/fall times, or there may be too much of an impedance mismatch between the drive and the transformer. Oh, all applied potentials are in reference to earth ground. You may want to compare the results with and without the 160 VDC bias, reversing bias and applied drive potentials, ect.. and note the observed differences.

The other mode is rotational with 120 degrees of phase differential between A to B and B to C, then vary B and C a fraction from that. But I highly suggest you avoid that until you have a control loop set up that can allow you to shut it down very quickly. It can go out of control suddenly and avalanche if conditions happen to be just right.

Bob

I also highly recommend everyone go and read this thread carefully:
http://www.oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1609

A tidbit from that thread:
Quote from: Bob Boyce
The material is important for a several reasons.

1. The material directly impacts the highest frequency that can be applied.
2. The higher the frequency used, the greater the energy density.
3. Since there are bias fields applied, we want a material that will not saturate.

Laminated iron and ferrite fail all 3 of these criteria. Air cores require too much copper for a given frequency. The low permeability of a powdered iron mix is best. So the chosen mix plays a large role in how much copper you will have to wind on it. Since we don't want overlapped layers for any of the windings.

There are many ways to tap into this LEM pie. Almost all share a common thread, ultra fast pulses of pure electric potential

I'm not sure how SM managed to get his TPU to work with no core!  At the very least, it was not as efficient as it would have been with a core...

Everything makes sense now--thanks again, Bob! ;D

Eldarion
"The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheaply, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value."
-- Thomas Paine