Longitudinal wave research

[MarkSnoswell]

I have started this as a separate thread as I feel we all could benifit from a much better understanding of longitudinal (scalar) waves.



OK. This is interesting. These results are preliminary. I will post them publically after I have done more tests ? for now I?ll pass along the results here. I have attached a photograph of the coil used for the tests. When I get a chance to do the test in a more controlled manner I'll post full results. The principal findings reported are so clear that I feel comfortable sharing them now.

It would be good if others did similar basic tests so we can gain a better understanding of longitudinal wave transmission; efficient ways to drive it; how it radiates and couples to receivers etc. I plan to do simillar tests with toroidal configurations as soon as I get a chance.

I plan to do tests with non-netallic transmission lines which I think should work just as well for longitudinal waves but would not transmit transverse waves -- which whould lead to a very significant efficency gain and safer opperation.



I did some simple tests with a long solenoid coil to see if I could identify both transverse and longitudinal wave transmission. Yes.

The other goal was the see if I could efficiently drive the transmission line (coil) with a single closed loop capacitivley coupled. Yes.


I used a long solenoid coil I had lying around. This is a 630mm long coil wound with a single layer of 100 turns of 0.6mm magnet wire. The outside of the coil is sealed with a layer of styrene (common fiberglass resin) based resin. The inside is open ? there is no former. I have several of these coils that were made for tesla coil units -- they are formerless to avoid dielectric losses from formers.

I left the top open circuit. I cut the coil one turn in from the bottom and soldered the input lead so that I had a single turn closed loop (isolated from the mail coil) with which to drive with. The rational for this is threefold.

1. This should be just as efficient (as a direct drive) when driving the longitudinal mode.
2. This minimizes drive current -- all we are driving in a single closed loop of wire.
3. The drive is non inductive as the loop is closed and driven with a voltage from one point.

I drove this with a signal generator with a 0-5V signal. Input impedance was 160 ohms (50 ohm sig gen and 110 ohm externally). All inital tunig was done with square wave.

The remarkable result was that I could easily detect two fundamental resonant modes.
By fundamental I mean two resonant modes with a 1:1 frequency ratio with the drive signal.

The resonant frequencies for the two fundamental frequencies were:
450.3 KHz   Q of 46.   Signal at top of coil 90 deg behind drive signal.
980.0 KHz   Q of 82.   Signal at top of coil 90 deg ahead of drive signal.

I probed the voltage drop along the coil with a 10M ohm probe in the vicinity of the coil surface.
As expected the lower resonant frequency corresponded to a quarter wave transverse wave mode.
The higher frequency resonant mode appears to be a half wave mode.
Both resonant modes could be driven with pulse, square and sine waves.

Conclusions:
1.   There are two transmission modes that can be easily detected in a long solenoid coil. The lower frequency resonance is the traditional quarter wave resonance -- confirmed by voltave profile and phase. The higher frequency resonance appears to correspond to a half wavelength longitudinal transmission mode -- confirmed by phase.

2.   It is possible to capactivley drive the transmission line in both resonance modes with a single ended drive into a single closed loop.

cheers

mark.

[tao]

I know many here have already seen this paper, but I add it for those that haven't and for re-review for those that have...

Scalar waves:Theory and Experiments
by:Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl

You can see an 18 minute demo from him here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714&hl=de

He shows that when he operates his unit at a certain frequency, it is operating in Hertzian mode, and when he uses his other frequency, it is operating in 'Scalar' mode. In the Hertzian mode you can see that his hand can shield, block the transmissions from/to the two units. In the 'Scalar' mode it isn't shieldable, and he claims up to 1000% efficiencies...

The paper goes into more detail than the video.

[giantkiller]

I know many here have already seen this paper, but I add it for those that haven't and for re-review for those that have...

Scalar waves:Theory and Experiments
by:Prof. Dr.-Ing. Konstantin Meyl

You can see an 18 minute demo from him here http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4615804709108706714&hl=de

He shows that when he operates his unit at a certain frequency, it is operating in Hertzian mode, and when he uses his other frequency, it is operating in 'Scalar' mode. In the Hertzian mode you can see that his hand can shield, block the transmissions from/to the two units. In the 'Scalar' mode it isn't shieldable, and he claims up to 1000% efficiencies...

The paper goes into more detail than the video.

@Tao, Very good. Things are going to change here soon.
I am very impressed with his statement about the human nervous system being a scalar wave transmission system. And the dendrites are spark gaps! Who would have thought.

--giantkiller. Down with TEM, up with LMD.

[Jdo300]

Hey Mark and Tao,

Awesome posts! I have never seen that video before but it confirmed some things from the recent experiment in my article that I never bothered to look at. Just like Mark, when I was testing the single, open-ended control coil for the TPU, I also noticed that it had two resonant frequencies, although I didn't think anything of it at the time. I did notice however, that the second resonant peak delivered more power to the collector coil than the first one did!

By the way, I am very interested in the Tesla MT, especially ever since Marco built his model. I have always wanted to build one and play with it but I never figured out how to solve the grounding issue. In Tesla's patents, he always used an earth ground, but if you wanted to have a mobile application, what do you use as a ground for the receiver? I am almost confident that the TPU is simply a Tesla magnifying transmitter and receiver all rolled into one. Once you look at the TPU in this way it is no mystery why it runs with gain if one knows that the MT can have a COP as high as 1000!

God Bless,
Jason O

[tao]

Well, since you mentioned Tesla's MT and its relation to the TPU, I figured it was a good a time as any to repost my original post I had made last year about just this subject...

I am not saying that this is how it has to be, just reposting my old post, for reference, for re-viewing, for spurring ideas, etc....................




on: October 02, 2006, 10:46:26 AM 

Looking over the Tesla patents again today, especially the patents dealing DIRECTLY with the principles of his Magnifying Transmitter, I looked a bit differently at his one patent that dealt with the WIRED model for his transmitter...Remember that his MT specifically uses radiant energy as it's GAIN MECHANISM...

You might also want to remember a certain confirmation from SM about Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter and SM's devices:
"So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmitter, its REAL operation.<

from steven
So Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret.
Do you think he knows it?"

So, anyway, after looking over Tesla's one patent I made three images for you all to see what I saw. The first showing Tesla's MT system, and the second image showing Tesla's MT system adopted to SM's devices...........

I am NOT saying that this IS TOTALLY IT, I am mearly suggesting you all look at this and assimulate it in your minds as a potential, especially considering SM's CONFIRMATION to me back in April about Tesla's MT and his TPUs....

Of course, you will no doubt realize that SM's COLLECTOR COIL isn't sprial wound like Tesla's system has it, but niether was Gray's radiant energy tube system, it matters not about the spiral windings, it matters more about there being MUCH COPPER at 90 degrees to the KICK Generating Wires............Having said that, look at the images.............................

Without further adou....