Longitudinal wave research

[Bob Boyce]

@ Jason

I can probably answer that for you. In leu of ground, you can reference against a conductive mass, such as the body of an automobile. The smaller the mass you reference against, the higher the frequency needs to to be to to get a given reference amount, and energy. It's all related to potential dipoles. In our case, the earth is but one very large half of a dipole. The earth makes a very good reference due to the electric and magnetic fields, but due to coupling, it is not the only reference possible.

Tesla used the auto body of the Pierce Arrow as his initial ground reference. In doing so, all he did was put 2 capacitors - or dipoles, in series on his MT design. The capacitance - or diipole - between the antenna on the car and the car body, and the capacitance - or dipole - between the car body and earth. The amount of energy density possible is greatly reduced, but it is still possible to do.

Bob

[Earl]

Bob,

if Earth is one-half of a dipole, what is the other half?

Regards, Earl

@ Jason

[snip]
It's all related to potential dipoles. In our case, the earth is but one very large half of a dipole. The earth makes a very good reference due to the electric and magnetic fields, but due to coupling, it is not the only reference possible.
[snip]
Bob

[Bob Boyce]

Bob,

if Earth is one-half of a dipole, what is the other half?

Regards, Earl

@ Jason

[snip]
It's all related to potential dipoles. In our case, the earth is but one very large half of a dipole. The earth makes a very good reference due to the electric and magnetic fields, but due to coupling, it is not the only reference possible.
[snip]
Bob

One of the nearest high energy dipoles to us, would be that of the earth/ionospheric cavity. There are many dipoles around us, some with great amounts of energy, as in the earth/moon dipole, sun/earth dipole, the dipoles between planets, ect. To collect energy, we only have to get coupling in between any 2 points of a dipole with a great potential energy differential.

Bob

[MarkSnoswell]

Eureka moment! ...

These are raw insights and I don't have access to illustrate them at present... but I wanted to record the ideas here immediately.

Terminology:
Longitudinal Electric wave == LE
Longitudinal Magnetic wave == LM
Transverse Electro Magnetic wave == TEM

Realization 1.
An element (wire - does not need to be metallic) running down the central axis of a coil carrying a LE signal will be induced to generate a LM signal. (can think of as a spin rotation/flip current)

Realization 2.
The above relationship is symetric. Take two rings in a Hopf linkage. Equal LE and LM signals will travel in the two rings. (90 deg spin relationship between LM and LE can be encoded with Hopf linkage)

Realization 3.
If you combine LE and LM waves in a single element you get "ordinary" TEM current. (spin rotation + spin compression current = bulk TEM current)

Result from the above == LE and LM "currents" are easier to work with and convert -- as Tesla put it "more natural" than TEM waves.


Consequence 1.
By driving both a toroidal coil and central loop together you can split a TM current into LE and LM currents. You can also do the converse.

Consequence 2.
Devices such as BB TPU configuration will have LM current induced in the iron powder toroidal core. These LM currents will couple LE currents in the primary and secondaries.

Question still being considered:
how to devise devices that use Lm and LE energy flows directly without the requirment to convert back to TEM current flow to drive present devices -- devices like lights, motors, heaters, coolers, reactionless thrusters.

The above concepts are striped to their minimum. Careful tuning, topology and material selections are all considerations in demonstrating and using the effects while supressing unwanted (wastefull) TEM currents.

Damn -- I hope that makes sense to some of you. It's all so clear and simple really. It's just *very* different from everything classical electrical engineering and physics has taught that it's difficult to comprehend initially.

Of course this all needs to be tested experimentally to validate the ideas. I'm sure (hope) that some of you get this and can already think of the first experiments to do -- they are very straight forward. When I can illustrate things I will post the experiments -- which will be adding to my list to do as soon as I get back to Australia.

Cheers

Mark.

[eldarion]

Sorry for bringing this old thread back up, but I was intrigued by your last post, Mark.

Consequence 1.
By driving both a toroidal coil and central loop together you can split a TM current into LE and LM currents. You can also do the converse.

Would you mind elaborating a bit here?  Right now, I am imagining a toroidal coil (or several toroidal coil segments) wound around a loop coil in the 90 degree orientation (think "collector coil"), and driving both in parallel, but I don't think this is correct.  Where would I be able to tap off pure LM or pure LE energy?  Wrap another toroidal coil around the entire thing to tap off LE energy?

Consequence 2.
Devices such as BB TPU configuration will have LM current induced in the iron powder toroidal core. These LM currents will couple LE currents in the primary and secondaries.

So the powdered iron core is acting as a shorted LM conducting loop.  This makes perfect sense as to why the core is so important!

Realization 3.
If you combine LE and LM waves in a single element you get "ordinary" TEM current. (spin rotation + spin compression current = bulk TEM current)

Well, it would seem that we can convert back to TEM relatively easily.  Maybe this is why there are at least two independent rings on the TPU; one to convert to LMD and thereby tap excess energy, and one to convert back to TEM to power standard electrical devices.

I think I understand; I just want to make sure that I am not on the wrong track here.

Thanks!

Eldarion