Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[hartiberlin]

He is using:


http://panaceauniversity.org/D14.pdf

The circuit given on page 7 with the inductors is what gives the highest efficiencies. The inductor on both positive and negative is a must. Why would you want to build one with the alternator? from what I can remember the page 7 circuit doesnt have an alternator and you can power the circuit with a DC 10A coverter like I did or use a plain heavy duty battery for getting the output. If you want to experiment with the other circuits in the document then its ok.... Good luck!!

There is another difference that needs to be noted compared to Dave's Replication. I didnt remember the exact gap between the pipes till patrick just asked me what were the differences between my setup....sat down and calculated....

The gap in between the pipes was:

Outer Pipe OD : 25.317 mm
Thickness : 14 SWG or 2.032 mm

Outer Pipe ID : 25.317 - (2.032 x2) = 21.253mm


Inner Pipe OD : 19.930 mm
Thickness : 14 SWG or 2.032 mm

Gap is 1.323mm ( 21.253 - 19.930 )

and this adjusted to both the sides as the inside pipe is centered is

1.323/2 = 0.6615 mm on either sides of the inner tube.

So effectively the gap between the pipes is less than 0.670 mm

I went for a lesser gap by increasing the thickness of the outer tube.
If you go through Stans Canadian Patent he mentions that the lesser
the gap between the pipes more the efficiency

I had a lot of difficulty in the alignment of pipe as they were
shorting. Had to get them straightened on pipe alignment machine.
Wouldnt advice people without engineering skills to go for this small
a gap.

The higher output of my setup could be due to the smaller gap aswell.
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Posted by Kumaran :

Hi Ravi,

According to my calculation you got 644.62% OU.

Liter : 16.776
Seconds : 3600
LPM : 0.2796

Voltage : 12
Amp : 0.51
Watts : 6.12

Your cell efficiency : 0.36 Wh/L
Faraday efficiency : 2.3516 Wh/L (varies depending to atm pressure)

OU : 644.62%

No doubt on efficiency. Just need to push the system a little bit further to produce more gas while maintaining the efficiency. Great job.
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Regards,
Kumaran



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So all in all this is a very nice cell !

[hartiberlin]

So any cell that is needing less than about 2.4 Watthours of energy
for 1 Liter of HHO production is overunity
as this is the Faraday law.

Ravi?s setup is thus way overunity.
I will post the formular to calculate this in another thread.

Regards, Stefan.

[TheCell]

@wizkycho2

A Series oscillatory circuit draws the maximum current when in resonance.
Believe me , I am an Engineer of electronics.
A paralell oscillatory circuit will draw the least current when in resonance.
You can prove it using Electronics Workbench Simulation Tool.

The higest current means NOT the highest power input.
Because alternating current and voltage is used , you must multiply in short time steps the volts

and amps (take care of the sign) . And for a whole loop you will get allmost 0 power input.
In resonance the energy is alternating between the capacitor and the coil.
The small amount of energy to put in , is only needed to compensate the power losses.
(The capacitor has a paralell resistor , the inductance isself has a series resistor)

@ravzz

I am missing a resistor paralell to the cell, what meyer called the 'current inhibitor resistor'.
Without that the cell won't discharge, the voltage will get to the 12 Volts input, and remain

there.(using the above metioned simulation tool)
You don't use such a resistor ?
Then I think the cell discharges itself; water is not a so good dielectricum , while the voltage
drops down to 0, the cell has the chance to discharge.

First Meyer was talking about a resonant step charging effekt.
Varios voltage levels that step by step will tare apart the water molecules.
With using inductivities in series you will get so high alternating voltage levels ,
that will surely overide this small step charging levels.

So I am nearly convinced , that periodic high voltage peaks will make a efficient electrolysis.

Please ravzz measure the voltage of your cell with an oszilloscope and a voltage devider. There will be 1000V - 3000V , so take care!
We would like to examine the main function of the circuit.

[ravzz]

Thecell:

I'm using Nichrome 80/20 Resistance Alloy wire in 1.6 mm diameter as the variable resistor. This has resistance of 0.52 Ohms/mt. I remember mentioning this on the oupower discussion board....but i dont think I mentioned the grade or size of the resistance wire used over there. The efficiency of the cell comes down initially if I dont use it for about three to four days but about ten to fifteen minutes after its switched on it gets back to the higher efficiencies. Is this what you meant by cell discharge.

If you go through Stan's patent 4,798,661 on page2 Figure 1 these variable resitors are designated by the numbers 60a to 60n which are individually connected to each of the inner tubes.

I have not tried the immersed excitor array in figure 1 this could probably increase the efficiency even more!

There should be very high voltage at the cell as I remeber Dave saying something about seeing a glow from between the tubes when WFC is run in the dark.....could be HV discharging.....I havent checked for this though...




Rapttor:

Check the following link of the same setup where you can see the input amps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugd2HFmNL3k




Tinu:

Yes I used 12 Volt  10 Amp  AC to DC coverter as the input to the Freq generator and the reading you see in the videos are the current draw from this converter (the wires are the input leads of the freg gen).




Unicron:


Hydro seems to be doing some thing else altogether on the electronics side but using pipes to generate H2....looks like hydro's on to something new!!

[tinu]

Rapttor:

Check the following link of the same setup where you can see the input amps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugd2HFmNL3k


Tinu:

Yes I used 12 Volt  10 Amp  AC to DC coverter as the input to the Freq generator and the reading you see in the videos are the current draw from this converter (the wires are the input leads of the freg gen).

Hi Ravi,

"This video has been removed by the user."
Another available link?

Tx,
Tinu