Stanley Meyer replication with low input power

[canufi]

  I think this whole overunity thing will boil down to the ability of the electric field set up inside a capacitor to do work. 

Stan claimed in one of his later lectures, I think Denver energy get together, that the Sun was responsible for recharging the water when it went out the tail pipe, and that without the Sun you cannot reuse the water.  It's not over unity if you are stealing energy from the sun.

Electric fields such as lightning, perform work when there is Current.  Lightning requires current to do work, so I doubt you will get Stan's device working without current.  The current is when dielectric breakdown occurs, all of a sudden voltage potential becomes current.  This is much different than regular faraday electrolysis which uses current ALL the time constantly, wasting energy and heating up the water.  I can't believe they still teach that garbage in school - faraday Electrolysis is old bad science, it's quackery.. and stupidity. It's sad our education system is so stupid, I'm glad I dropped out of school and took the hard knocks way.

[sparks]

Stan claimed in one of his later lectures, I think Denver energy get together, that the Sun was responsible for recharging the water when it went out the tail pipe, and that without the Sun you cannot reuse the water.  It's not over unity if you are stealing energy from the sun.

Electric fields such as lightning, perform work when there is Current.  Lightning requires current to do work, so I doubt you will get Stan's device working without current.  The current is when dielectric breakdown occurs, all of a sudden voltage potential becomes current.  This is much different than regular faraday electrolysis which uses current ALL the time constantly, wasting energy and heating up the water.  I can't believe they still teach that garbage in school - faraday Electrolysis is old bad science, it's quackery.. and stupidity. It's sad our education system is so stupid, I'm glad I dropped out of school and took the hard knocks way.

A water molecule is really good at absorbing infrared electromagnetic wave-lengths.   It's not the heat it's the humidity.  The water molecule then expands and floats up to the upper atmosphere where it becomes cooled or denser.  This water molecule wants to come down but finds itself buoyed on the surface of a huge bubble of lower densisty molecules.  As the sun's radiation becomes weaker more and more moleucles begin to compress the low level bubble.  This is vary apparent in flat florida where there is no topological irregularities to pierce the bubble. Bottoms of clouds are often virtually flat.  The water molecules going up appear to also transport a weak net charge per molecule.  The weak net charge of each molecule comprising the cloud is accumulated resulting in a lot of cloud charge.  The Earth below such a cloud gets charged positively.  Somehow the cloud is doing something to the Earth without "current".  A sag in the bubble now focuses the cloud charge.  The potential in this sag region is enough to ionize the air molecules like coronal losses along high voltage transmission lines.  There is no complete circuit to anything.  The plasma growing out of the cloud  becomes a conductor and allows for the net charge of the cloud to extend closer and closer  to the oppositely charged earth.  At somepoint the plasma growth reaches the point where it forms a complete circuit between cloud and Earth.  The capacitance created is then shorted to the limits of the conducting path created by the plasma.  Strike after strike because of disintegration of the plasma column due to resitive losses like heat light and sound.  The total discharge of the capacitance built up in the flatbottom clouds on one strike would be disastrous.  Tetrawatts of power released in nanoseconds is not a good thing to be around.  Not for one second do I believe an electron from the cloud reaches the ground.  Electrical current is not like water in a pipe.  Electrical current is what charged the Earth up before the lightning bolt and created the plasma column that caused dielectric breakdown of the air.  Free electrons are accelerated by the electrical current giving us electrical effects.  This movement of charged particles needs to be detached from the definition of electrical current.  I do believe that the macroscopic electric current from that bolt went microscopic.  The virtual particles that once flowed between Earth and ground now flow between electron and proton.
    Hydrogen in water is bound to the oxygen in water not in your typical covalent bond.  The hydrogen neucleus is buried in a distorted electron cloud.  The oxygen atom is huge compared to the hydrogen protons.  In fact this is why water is a liquid at room temperature and not a gas.  By disruption of the oxygen electron cloud configuration the two hydrogen atoms form a covalent electrical bond and become their own molecule.  Oxygen does it's thing and forms a gas.  The polarized water molecule bond is what makes water a liquid and not a gas.  Water should exist in the gas phase at room temperature according to it's molecular weight.  Yet we find this unatural state everywhere soaking up infrared radiation. Thermal transport goes from the water to the gas bubbling out of the water.  It is then transported to the combustion chamber.  The thermal energy of the unfractured water does not go away.  This would be contradictory to the laws of conservation of energy.  The recombination of hydrogen and oxygen  (ozone is the oxidizer stan used) results in the thermal energy orginally residing  in the water molecules back in the tank to be converted to electron acceleration and deacceleration within the combustion chamber.  This is what combustion is all about.  Rapid oxidation of hydrogen.  Gasoline has to be heated to break the hydrogen bonds.  The liberated hydrogen is then oxidized.  The transfer of electrons from atom to atom is an electron acceleration deacceleration event.  This produces photons.  Photons are then absorbed by nitrogen or other inert gases along with the fuel which expand driving the piston away.  Stan recycled exhaust to cool the whole process down to combustion rates instead of gas detonation which would ruin the engine in seconds.   
   I agree that Stan spread himself thin.  Lets hope his work and sacarfices were not in vain.

[canufi]

Somehow the cloud is doing something to the Earth without "current". 

Well it's not doing much to the earth, until there is lightning. Lightning is the actual work performed, whereas before the lightning occurred, it's just boring voltage that is potential, not work.  What is the cloud "doing" to the earth during it's potential stage? Not much. The only effect you see, and the only energy you get, is when current occurs. Cause and effect. The cause is potential, the effect is the lightning which is current shorting out.

So once again - in order for Stan's device to have any effect, you have to have some current. Stan even said 0.5 amps.. which is current. And what bothers scientists is that even if you have 0.5 amps, you still have Watts (power consumed) if the voltage is high. Just because you limit the amperage, doesn't mean you aren't consuming any power.  0.5 amps and 200 volts is still 100 watts of electricity.  But I do know for a fact, that Stan was able to produce hydrogen from distilled and from tap water - his devices at his Estate were recently video taped by someone else, and they do work. No government or grand conspiracy has mucked around with his water cell, it still works, and someone demonstrated it online when they viewed his estate.

[canufi]

Don't look at the voltage potentail only! i too made the same mistake.

The energy is not coming from the source it's drawn in from the atomic bonding force when the 'water plasma' (for lack of a better name) is formed.
I don't exactly understand how but the source alone cannot possibly account for the amount of gas production so i asked my teacher and he told me it was tapping energy from the atom itself.

Well, Stan claims that you must recharge the water with the Sun when it goes out the tail pipe. So ultimately, he's robbing energy from the Sun which beats down on rivers and lakes. He claimed this in his later lectures.  If he's stealing energy from the molecules and then the sun recharges the molecules at a later time, this opens up a whole new area of physics that we currently don't understand. It's possible Stan was wrong and was just playing guessing games. In some of Stan's literature  he claims it is Radiant energy. 

[sparks]

Well, Stan claims that you must recharge the water with the Sun when it goes out the tail pipe. So ultimately, he's robbing energy from the Sun which beats down on rivers and lakes. He claimed this in his later lectures.  If he's stealing energy from the molecules and then the sun recharges the molecules at a later time, this opens up a whole new area of physics that we currently don't understand. It's possible Stan was wrong and was just playing guessing games. In some of Stan's literature  he claims it is Radiant energy. 

    Einstein's mass equivalency statement is cool.  Basically it simply says mass is energy and energy is mass.  It then goes on to predict how much radiant mass you get upon conversion of mass to energy.  This radiant mass is photons.  The water molecule absorbs into it's matter infrared photons which increase the mass of the water molecule.  There are no two ways about it.   A theoretical isolated molecule of water is exposed to infrared electromagnetic waves.  You measure the mass before the exposure and then you measure the mass after the exposure.  The molecule is more massive after.   Now convert this mass gain to energy.  You can also calculate the mass of hydrogen and oxygen before they combine to the mass of the water after they combine.  The results are that the water molecule is more massive than the constituent gasses. (This is an ideal situation where no energy is radiated from the system)  How is this possible.  Where did the extra mass/energy come from.  In order to implode hydrogen and oxygen you need to input energy.  Spark, flame, compression whatever.  Something way back there caused hydrogen and oxygen to bind.  It's input is still there in loads and loads of water.  Combine this with the continuing process of infrared absorption how can you not consider water a fuel scource.  Our planet is unique in that it allows water to exist.  All the lifeforms on Earth we know of  rely on water as a fuel scource.  Man is just fucking stupid and has boxed himself into almost certain extinction by creating overpopulation propped up by fossil and radioactive fuel scources to unsustainable levels.  I don't hold to conspiracy theories about the illuminati and all that,  I adhere to the theory of basically I don't give a shit about anybody else but myself ruling the world.  Maybe a little fondness for people I brought into this world  (basically because they look like me) but otherwise it's all for me and fuck you and all the generations to come well I don't even know those people.