DISSOCIATING WATER, A KEELY Project

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Bill,

I do not pretend to be an expert on water. I have had to study the subject out of necessity. Much of what I found out surprised me as much as it does most people. We are too familiar with water and do not give a second thought to what a powerful and mysterious substance it really is.

I suppose when you drink the stuff, wash your dishes in it, clean your teeth and your arsehole with it and flush turds down the sewer with it, it appears as rather prosaic stuff not deserving of further study.

Water is the key to everything.

Have a look at http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/index.html  it's a little academic and involved but it is authoritative and probably the best dissertation on water that is around and still understandable in the main by people that are not specialising in this area.

Good luck in your studies.

Hans von Lieven

[usama salah]

water is everything and understandable in the main by people that are not specialising in this area.
that is right.

[fritz]

Dear All,

I got lots of inspiration from Hans?s Keely homepage
and are doing some "bottom up" experiments with vibration
exciters and piezo transducers. (and water)
As far as I could find out - "state of the art" transducers found
in ultrasonic cleaning devices can operate up to some hundred
kHz and are available up to 80W/per transducer.
The first "device under test" was a piezo resonator of a water
vaporizer. This stuff is quite cheap - you get spare resonators
for 6 Euro / piece. (maximum "power" maybe some watts)
I analyzed the frequency response using this "dut" and another
sonic "state of the art" transducer as sensor.
Using an audio analyzer (->200kHz) it gives quite linear operation
up to 200kHz(will analyze further with different setup) with a(first)
mechanical resonance frequency of 130kHz in this range.
In another setup, I operated the transducer while monitoring input voltage/current (with a current probe on my scope).
The interesting thing was - that operating the transducer at its (first)
resonance frequency makes it completely sensible for (almost static)
water pressure.
In mechanical resonance - the "q" of the resonator is definitely limited
by the "outside" impedance. Any tiny swapping/ water movement at
mechanical resonance effects the input current of the resonator by a high degree. If not operated at mechanical resonance - has no impact at all.
(...)
Even if the output of such transducer is not usable for water dissociation (we?ll see) - its a nice thing to proof and verify pressure wave domains (in passive or active (m. resonance) mode.
rgds,

Wolfgang

[fritz]

Keely Technology:

Breaking up "cracking" water molecules by using just one frequency is not possible because even if the needed transducers are build up by nanotubes are way to big (compared to the needed wavelength in water).
By using harmonic "stages" - its possible to generate a "beam" with lower (base)frequency and wavelength which "transports" the needed primary waveform (which should be somehow harmonic to the transport waveform) to split up the molecules.
This means water dissociation with acoustic pressure waves is a threefold process: Use one frequency to "cluster" water (get a handle on it, break up infinite recombination), use second frequency to modulate these clusters - form  wavefronts, use third frequency to break up the molecules.
I think (and this is also some outcome of my experiments) that the way how these 3 frequencies are applied, their amplitude as well as the envelope of each waveform and their phase relation have to be under tight control. Means - carefully clustering, then modulating - and finally dissociating. (...)(so far)

rgds,

Wolfgang

[hansvonlieven]

G'day all,

Please you electronics guys, have a look at the transmitter circuit on page 2 of this thread and tell me why the modulator part is not functioning as it should. Any bright ideas on how to improve it?

Thanks fellas,

Hans von Lieven