SMOT! - (previously about the OC MPMM)

[Koen1]

Omnibus will never be banned because he is an "Elite Member" . IIRC these are people who pay a monthly fee to be rid of the numerous advertisements on this site .

Lol so it's not that Stefan blelieves or supports Omnibus's abusive behaviour,
but rather a matter of Omnibus paying Stefan to be allowed to abuse people here?
Rofl

Well that seems to imply we can quite safely ignore everything Omnibus
says untill he finally posts some proof. He is not here because he has a great idea
or because his posts contribute to the forum, he is here because his money
contributes to the forum and that gives him the idea that he has some form of authority.

[Omnibus]

Notice carefully, in SMOT the greatest strain is at what is marked there as point A (in your experiment this is point B). Point A in SMOT (that is, your point B) is where the experiment begins and spontaneously ends in SMOT. In your case the experiment begins at your point B but does not end spontaneously there. Hope now you can see the difference and that it's a substantial difference.

Maybe you are confused by the fact that B is lower than A, or where the ball position is.  Please do not put so much emphasis on this.  I know you are a smart person, so I think you can picture it the way I meant it.

Between our two experiments, A is A, B is B, C is C.  I can put the ball at A in the drawing if it helps matters.  I simply put it at B, because that is where the action is, so I thought it would be more illustrative, but I think in restrospect it was slightly confusing.  Surely you can picture my experiment, where the ball starts at A, is moved by hand to the ramp at B, accelerates to C, falls off and returns spontaneously to A?

Not so. The ball at B in your experiment is at the greatest strain because it at the greatest distance from the pivot X than if it were at A. Thus, like I said, your point B (the beginning but not the spontaneous end of your experiment) is called point A (the beginning and spontaneous end of experiment) in SMOT.

Your experiment need not be discussed any further because it is trivial and is in no way an analogue of SMOT.

[ramset]

Bad Omnibus Bad   REmember those social skills

[Koen1]

@Omnibus:

you keep repeating that in the SMOT the ball returns to its
starting position automatically.

Well, the very basic SMOT consisting of a ramp with magnets on it
and a steel ball DOES NOT RETUN THE BALL TO ITS STARTING POSITION.

If you claim to have one that does, then POST YOUR PROOF.
Pictures or videos, doesn't matter, but show us this SMOT that returns its ball
to the starting point!
Because there are NO versions of the SMOT to be found ANYWHERE on the
Internet that show it returning to its starting point.
Yours would be the first.

Why don't you show it?
Oh, right, it's so obvious.
It must be because you simply don't have one. You do not have a looped SMOT,
you do not have one that returns the ball to the starting point. Liar.
Prove me wrong. Show us your SMOT.

It's either that, or you have some weird scary disability like Tseung, who
can also solve all the world problems and make an over unity device all in
his fantasies, but when asked for proof he can all of a sudden not use
a simple drill, bellow pump, or video camera. You're not related to him, are you?

[shruggedatlas]

Not so. The ball at B in your experiment is at the greatest strain because it at the greatest distance from the pivot X than if it were at A. Thus, like I said, your point B (the beginning but not the spontaneous end of your experiment) is called point A (the beginning and spontaneous end of experiment) in SMOT.

Your experiment need not be discussed any further because it is trivial and is in no way an analogue of SMOT.

I am confused.  At point A in the SMOT experiment, the strain from the magnet is lowest, because it is fartherst away from the magnet, and in my experiment, at point A, the rubber band has the least strain on the ball, because the ball is closest to the pivot X.  So I cannot see what you are talking about.  A is A.

All that aside, why does it even matter where strain is stronger or weaker?  The bottom line is there are two conservative fields involved and overlaid, resulting in the ball moving under the influence of the two fields in an A-B-C-A "closed loop".  A mechanical advantage, the ramp, temporarily assists one of the conservative fields to overcome the other. 

I bet if you used your equations on my example, you would also see violation of CoE.