Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[DrStiffler]

I must confess that I am puzzle with what i found out. Watch this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMPPOy35H4) and you will see why.

Dr. Stiffler, can your theory account for that? I bet you can. When are you planning to share with us your theory?

Fausto.

@Fausto

I do not want to get to deep into my paper here (and can not for obvious reason), but I will try to answer some of your question.

Any way if you were set up to do the measurement you would find some interesting things in how the field changes over distance (non-test book). For a specific distance around the circuit (if it were in free space) the field would be constant to a distance away from the center, then it would be a linear decrease from that point. So while in this constant field bubble you can move around the periphery in and out and not detect a decline in coupling.

You should be able to remove some of the LEDs and the neon from your coupling boards and get a better response, the other components are providing additional capacity allowing the potential to dissipate before it can build to where you see the LEDs light. With a reduced external (probe) board you should be able to see the surrounding bubble and maybe the somewhat abrupt point where it changes from constant to linear decline.

The space around the exciter "Charges", I think you have seen this and I remember Loki talking about it. Lets say the Neon is just firing and not to bright, you touch and hold it and it brightens up, then you release it and it dims back down, but if you hold it for say 20-20 seconds it appears to get a bit brighter while holding, then when you release it it stays bright. As long as you do not make major change around the board the neon will stay lit. Turn the circuit of for an instant and you are back to square one. Repeat process and neon stays on bright.

In one of my early videos (I even pointed this out in this thread) when I removed the neon I was using for testing, it stayed lit for some two feet away from the circuit until I placed it on the table and it for an instant stayed lit and then went out. I got so much flack over this as everyone said I was an antenna providing the power (in part I was an antenna) but the spacial field actually moved with me and the neon.

Great video and work.

If we are not getting rich we are sure entertaining the masses   

Isn't this work grand, a house of mirrors, another door behind each door, never ending

[DrStiffler]

@All
I do not imagine any of the SEC operation makes much sense to most people because we are always looking for the "current" flow and we equate this with work being done. What we should be looking for is the capacitor, if everything is made up of opposite charges then the space beween these charges could be considered a dielectric,that is electrostatic thus capacitive in nature on the fundamental level. This would make a potential difference nothing more than additional tension between charges and an electric current tension moving from one dielectric space to the next as applied force in any media often does. If we should consider Dr.Stifflers circuit in this light, as capacitive in nature---capacitors being conservitive in most every sense, then it makes things much easier to understand.

@allcanadian and others,
The truth of that, the capacitive nature of SEC, cannot be overstated. I spent the last 6 hours switching back and forth between a fan motor and my modified fan with an alternator on it. I will be working with experimenting / understanding the capacitances in this monster for awhile. I cannot, YET, get the circuit to regularly start the motor / generator through the board C to backplane. Layout, understanding of the capacitances, and etc will come with time and experiment. A fan motor by itself, no problem. Maybe the additional mass added to the motor. Maybe magnets in the SEC? Maybe something else? Don't know yet. Two fingers pinching the motor leads and bang fires up everytime. This critter had impedances changing, I got tagged a couple of times from the alternator leads with the motor running and with it stalled, keep in mind the alternator is not connected to anything at this point, at least not intentionally or visibly. I literally had a little neon almost melt, I should have measured the temp but didn't. I'm telling you it was much hotter than 110F, like burning your hand on the stove hot. The little NE bulbs glow bright orange when excited like this, the big boys glow orange-red-purple. I'm thinking about just mounting all of my breadboards to the same sheet of aluminum and see what that does for me. I was experimenting this morning on the WISH board only but I don't think the capacitance is right, at least not for what I was doing this morning. Just as a "control" or sanity check I fired up the heat circuit first and measured it then went on to experimenting. The heater functioned exactly as before. Trying to run the circuit as posted by Dr. Stiffler with a motor and then three additional plugs with 3 LED's would not work correctly with my alternator. The pictures below show a circuit configuration that did run. Notice the difference in NE intensity with and without a capacitor back to V+. Very interesting and painstaking work. Everybody say thanks for all the hard work DOC! I can't imagine how long he has been at this. 

Much more to follow,

Jim 

@Loki
Oh how I wish I could release some of what will be in my paper, because if I could it would save you so much work and you would see at once why you are having trouble here. Think of mass as impedance, what does SEC Exciters like most in impedance, how does that equate to mass? Damn this looks so good, but.... Think of the metal frame around the alternator as a parasitic plate, like the backing plate of a proto-board. The frame is a capacity back to the lattice via the frame itself and the coils. Try a simple test, take a basic exciter, say driving the neon as you have done, tune it up and place a bunch of metal (screw drivers for example) and open coils of wire around the exciter. What happens??

[Gustav22]

Hi Loki67671,

the fact alone of building this alternator is really incredible.

I would very much like to see it "alternating".

I am not sure: does the rotor consist of 4 small permanent magnets?

....Maybe magnets in the SEC? ...

I guess magnets alone might not be a big problem for the exciter, but I guess that spinning magnets may have a big effect on the circuit.
Thus I think the further away from the exciter you can put the alternator the better.
I guess placement outside of Doc's

.... surrounding bubble ...

would be best.
Yet I remember that wire lengths should be short in SEC circuits.

So would it make sense to try a shielded (coaxial) cable (antenna cable) to feed the alternator (and same type of cable for the return line) in order to maintain an undisturbed signal in the cable and to enable you to place the alternator further away, "outside the bubble"?

edit: I just saw that Doc explained that the problem is in the iron cage of the alternator.
OK, even then max. distance between alternator and exciter might be beneficial.

[Loki67671]

@Dr Stiffler and Everybody,
Let me see if I understood this correctly, cause I'm fairly humbled right now, "just the fact that I have the mass of my alternator coupled inside an SEC exciter zone is working against me? " SHIT!

Let me describe this alternator so you guys aren't guessing at the damned thing! Mass = The ring you see on the bottom is titanium, the motor itself is mostly Thermoplastic PBT of UL94V-0, mounted to the back of the rotor is a nylon spacer hi-temp epoxied, on top of that is a galvanized steel cross holding four very potent neodymium magnets N,S,N,S. The cross serves as the magnetic circuit and it too is hi-temp epoxied in place. The neodymium magnets are holding themselves in place along with clear flowable windshield sealant, the four risers are 4-40 aluminum standoffs, the coils are 100 turns of 30 AWG copper mag wire, 6 coils 3 phases, the stator backing plate is polycarbonate and it is mounted to the standoff with 4-40 stainless steel screws. When I run this guy from a bench power supply in the "normal" operational mode it will make about 20 VAC-pp sinus maximum but wildly non-linear harmonic rich insanity. Yet there is still a repeating and almost identical waveform on all three phases. At low RPMs the wave form is a nice sine wave. Now in an effort to understand why I was having issues getting this to run consistently, I wasn't having any trouble making it run, it would run like like hell, then slow down, no appreciable temperature increases on the motor that I observed, then stop, move a hand to tune and the motor squeals at me then runs then stops with my hand halfway to the tuning rod or power supply pot. I probed with Neon's and made the motor run better or worse or stop it. I ran a 4.7pF capacitor, hooked back to V+ in one test and back to V- in another,  all over the motor alternator assembly in an effort to find stability. It did all kinds of crazy shit, I got RF burned pretty damned good from the generator stator windings with the thing running and also not turning at all. I can make it run by touching the alternator winding tails with my finger or a cap or a neon bulb. I added a little neon bulb between the motor negative lead and V+ and damn near melted the glass. I can't say that much of what this monster was doing this morning is overly familiar to me and I've been working on radio based equipment most of my adult life. I swear I got shocked on the back of my hand "from nowhere".  I'll think of more.

Man I want fire it back up right now but the little one won't let me.  Perhaps a little later. I've actually been up since 2:30 running in the wee hours for quiet and concentration plus safety, of those around me!  I'm not quitting but I'd sure like to read that paper.  I know! I know! Frustrated excitement is the only way to describe it. DAMN! 

Much more to come and I'll get some captures of the three phases. I want to see if there is a difference running from a standard DC supply and a SEC exciter. Really really cool stuff! 

Best regards,

Jim

[DrStiffler]

@Loki and All
I was not to clear when I talked about mass and impedance, what I mean is mass as in conductive mass (metals) or conductive fluids or vapor. Conductive mass drops the localized impedance around the circuit (IF) it is not the Al parasitic mass of the back plate for example. Lets say you have a one ton mass of Al with the same WxL and ignore H. You would see no difference in the operation of the Exciter if it sat on this block versus a thin sheet of Al foil the same size. But if you increased the WxL and kept the H the same, you would see a difference, SEC interface would start to decline as the WxL increases on the plate.

This bring to light the first no/no with SEC, I have said that the addition of antenna (physical connection) to the circuit is working against you even though you may see an increase in LED brightness for example. What has happened to show this increase is that you are replacing SEC cohered energy with ionic current. This is not going to work for the direction we are headed.

Now there is a fine line between required mass (hi impedance) and excess mass (low impedance). It took a bit of engineering to get a SEC exciter to work on a mini-PCB. I have always stated that to initially duplicate my work, start with the proto-boards and layout the work in a similar way. This gets you up and running. Wire wrap, free style, punch board or improper PCB's will just cause headache after headache.

So where Loki has the major problem is that the metallic mass around his alternator is sucking up any recovered spacial energy. If it were possible to measure the heat in the metal, you would see an increase, ever so slight and hard to say for sure where it came from, but some would be the spacial energy playing with the metal and causing heating. This in turn divers the energy left to the transistor and should indicate a larger drain from the supply.

Here is another good example, the small HHO electrodes I use with an exciter. If I used two large plated or rods, it would not work, the smaller the wire, the higher the impedance and the better it all works. Hope this helps in some small way. I know these are bits and pieces, but I am trying to answer as the problems arise from working with the circuit, knowledge is power and it really applies here. The more knowledge you gain with a circuit as you work with it the more you will understand and some moment the light will come on and you can say, hey this is really easy