Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[fritz]

What happened to the fact that I have indeed run without effect exciters in Faraday Cages, but LOL none of the detractors could agree on if the cage was required to be grounded or not grounded. In fact I left one posting group that has a moderator that stated; "Stiffler is incompetent to make valid RF measurements, because I am", gee now if that isn't an admission none is.

A floating setup in an absorber hall would be interesting, maybe I said Faraday cage at a certain point -
this could be a 10m times 10m times 10m metal frame-cube - which in fact doesnt shield EM nor M fields
to a certain degree.
Free floating _not_ grounded is the better choice.

I see some problems if operated in space because of the charged particles, lol
Earth has nice shielding - ground might be a challenge 
Using solar ground, Mars ground, or maybe a flower-pot with original earth ground
is enough. lol.

rgds.

[dean_mcgowan]

Hey Doc,

Have you "Closed the Loop" yet ?

Lots of good science in this thread, way above my head and entertaining to boot !

Keep on keeping on

Cheers,

Dean

[dean_mcgowan]

Ok, lets lay it down precisly:

Reactive power [VAr] in theory is "for free". In practice there is always current and real world
resistance involved - so reactive power never comes "alone". In real world you use power
plants and facilities to maintain/compensate reactive power in the grid to keep losses at minimum.
So the statement "for free" depends on the reference frame.

For example:
Imagine a room sized capacitor (we ignore now the wavelength and EM) connected to mains.
This cap would draw a dominant reactive power (we assume lossless cap here).
If I enter the room - and place a conductive/resistive table in the middle - we have a lossy cap,
the table "connects" places of different field strength/potential, there is current in the table construction, losses.
The capacity of the room-cap will be reduced, reactive power will decrease, real power consumption will increase.

What I meant in the sense of using the terminus "reactive power" is to change a local impedance
scenario with dominating reactive power in a way which gives the possibility to harvest real power.

Just if you have e/m/em fields in ideal configurations, just driven by reactive power - you can harvest
real power by introducing losses in that field.

This losses contribute to the real power component of the entire system.

In real world - those losses happen almost everwhere - by "matching" the local impedance you just make
your matching part the dominant "consumer".

Hope this helps with the confusion.

Nope,

Still confused, I am thinking it took energy to create the original displacement, since I don't believe man made objects are in the habit of manifesting themselves spontaneously.

I agree though that if you dig a whole, something will fill it

Cheers,

Dean

[scraven]

@Dean

Power in an LC system like the one in the broadband oscillator is a phasor summing on the power measured at L and the power measured at C. If there is no load then the C(cap) will be out of phase with the L(inductor) and hence they cancel each other out. What you get now in measurable terms (the spectrum analysis) is a near field signal, but seeing as the power is reactive and the current is more or less canceled out the circuit only radiates in the near field (electrostatic field or electric field but NOT a magnetic field). Add an antenna with a load and depending on how much current the load consumes thats how much power the circuit will radiate (and thats the reason NASA probably wouldn't let a SEC anywhere near any kind of aircraft let alone a spacecraft for testing in space *looks at fritz and shrugs). Anyway... the point of the bafflements thus far is that this near field signal seems to drop off as the AV plug is charging a cap. So that would mean that the AV plug somehow converts POTENTIAL oscillations minus Current oscillations. In other words we are getting REAL power in the AV plug, when the only power consumed seems to be IMAGINARY POWER. Sooo if the AV plug ONLY needs to rectify voltage oscillations (or at least that's all that's being supplied to it by the SEC) yet produces a current as well in the rectification, a lot of us a concerned about where that current is coming from! Dont forget, an av plug can rectify magnetic waves as well (like a radio does) and this poses a problem for accurate measurements, because if it turns out the the AV plug IS rectifying magnetic waves  as well then the power consumed is REAL. This (right now) does not seem to be the case and is why Dr.Stiffler is probably pretty exited himself right now, mostly due to the fact (i'd guess) that the near field spectrum signals seem to vanish while the AV plug is charging the cap. Combine this with the fact that the the oscillator STILL consumes very little amps, then we would be led to assume  that the AV plug is consuming purely imaginary power... NOT ONLY THIS... at some point in time the power in the AV CAP surpasses any power consumed by the oscillator that is being lost to imperfect (real world) components. And this is where the mystery begins..

Apologies in advance for jibberjabber minus practical results... I will shut up now

***correction - not sure if the nearfield drops off at all (I'm not sure where I got that from) Either way this would point more in the direction of excitation by reactive broadband oscillations rather then the indigestible idea of imaginary power converted to real power. Excitation of what exactly? The aether or the lattice does not mean anything to me - but thats my problem...

[dean_mcgowan]

@Dean

Power in an LC system like the one in the broadband oscillator is a phasor summing on the power measured at L and the power measured at C. If there is no load then the C(cap) will be out of phase with the L(inductor) and hence they cancel each other out. What you get now in measurable terms (the spectrum analysis) is a near field signal, but seeing as the power is reactive and the current is more or less canceled out the circuit only radiates in the near field (electrostatic field or electric field but NOT a magnetic field). Add an antenna with a load and depending on how much current the load consumes thats how much power the circuit will radiate (and thats the reason NASA probably wouldn't let a SEC anywhere near any kind of aircraft let alone a spacecraft for testing in space *looks at fritz and shrugs). Anyway... the point of the bafflements thus far is that this near field signal seems to drop off as the AV plug is charging a cap. So that would mean that the AV plug somehow converts POTENTIAL oscillations minus Current oscillations. In other words we are getting REAL power in the AV plug, when the only power consumed seems to be IMAGINARY POWER. Sooo if the AV plug ONLY needs to rectify voltage oscillations (or at least that's all that's being supplied to it by the SEC) yet produces a current as well in the rectification, a lot of us a concerned about where that current is coming from! Dont forget, an av plug can rectify magnetic waves as well (like a radio does) and this poses a problem for accurate measurements, because if it turns out the the AV plug IS rectifying magnetic waves  as well then the power consumed is REAL. This (right now) does not seem to be the case and is why Dr.Stiffler is probably pretty exited himself right now, mostly due to the fact (i'd guess) that the near field spectrum signals seem to vanish while the AV plug is charging the cap. Combine this with the fact that the the oscillator STILL consumes very little amps, then we would be led to assume  that the AV plug is consuming purely imaginary power... NOT ONLY THIS... at some point in time the power in the AV CAP surpasses any power consumed by the oscillator that is being lost to imperfect (real world) components. And this is where the mystery begins..

Apologies in advance for jibberjabber minus practical results... I will shut up now

***correction - not sure if the nearfield drops off at all (I'm not sure where I got that from) Either way this would point more in the direction of excitation by reactive broadband oscillations rather then the indigestible idea of imaginary power converted to real power. Excitation of what exactly? The aether or the lattice does not mean anything to me - but thats my problem...

Not unlike a tuned LC tank ?