Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[abassign]

Now the cold shower
In the my preceding post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3457.msg61260.html#msg61260

I affirmed that with 150 MA I drive 50 LEDs with 10V of tension, but what seems to be a device that produces more energy of how much it consumes, it is absolutely false. If to get a LED, with the same brightness of the other ones drive by the oscillator, using as source of energy 10V, it is necessary to insert a resistance, but a resistance consumes energy, energy that I cannot use for drive the LED. Here this is the error that so many do, with these types of experiments. Instead of putting a resistance, we put to his place the LEDs, in this way instead of burning energy we use the LED to illuminate. How many LED for 10 V are needed ? More other 4, in total they make 5 LEDs, under these conditions the resistance is not necessary and therefore we don't waste energy.
Finally thare is 5 bright LED, that consumes, verified to the tester, 4 mA alone, that for a power of 10 V, they absorb a total of 40 mW of energy. In my experiment 50 LED consumed 1500 mW (1,5 W) or 150 mW for 5 LEDs, and therefore the efficiency of the system is low, equal to: 150/40 = 26%!

From these simple example we deduced that:

The apparatus planned by Stiffer, can be defined OU producer only if it needs less energy of how much is necessary  for piloting a group of LED connected in series and directly drive by the power tension.

Unfortunately, my apparatus is very distant to be been able to produce OU, but that of Stiffler, if what says it is true, could he have more possibility, but has he made the comparative test with the LED directly fed by power tension ?

Stiller say:

The preceding 'Thomas' oscillator as shown will drive the common SEC coil
to an OU of +2 when using 36 White LEDS. The input current is a small
40mA. This is a great oscillator and simple to build for work with SEC.

The comparative test i easy to do,I would like Stiffler to do it, also to verify how much affirmed corresponds to the reality.

Best regards,
Adriano

[plengo]

@all
Today I spent the day trying to replicate fully the Thomas version. My picture shows the input being 120ma at 12v. The L2,L3 coil is attached to a magnet that when moving it in many positions will allow the control of the input current, brightness of the LEDs and if HV is present or not. Input current can vary from 60ma up to 150ma, brigthness from dim to very bright (eye hurting). No grounds anywhere or antennas. 52 LEDs mostly around 2.7v, 5mm (except for the last 3 LEDs are 3mm, sorry for the imperfection).

The meter on the left is the input (bottom most scale being 15 = 150ma) and on the right is the voltage across 1 ohm 5% with my almost ferrite beads (has some coil on it, better is a choke now). Voltage cross that resistor varies from 4mv up to on this picture (with carefull positioning of the magnet) 18.8mv (mili volts). So for those that like math, do the math and tell me if this is OU or not.

In this picture, LED are the brightest I could achieve and there is no HV. On my best tries when I have HV my output voltage cross the resistor is about 4 up to 10mv. Very difficult to stabilize this beast. Full specs if anyone wants just ask.

Buy now i have a few finger really burned. I was playing with input voltage around 20v and at that level is very dangers. Voltages on osciloscope goes up to 1000volts or more.

Second picture is osciloscope after the ferrite beads with probe on each ferrite (voltage over 1 ohm resistor).  Probe is 1x, 5v div and .1us tdiv.

Third picture is the same as first but showing some variation on input current and output milivolts over resistor after changing the magnets. Input 140ma, output 33.7mv.

Fourth picture is voltage (no ground) before any of the ferrites (only one probe).   Probe is 10x, 5v div and .1us tdiv. So it is about 350v. Dont touch it!!!

Fifith picture is to show the voltage after the ferrite beads (again) but no ground, notice the offset of the peaks, it has more above the center of the screen than below (off course I centered the zero voltage to be the center of the screen). That would explain a DC offset voltage measured by the multimeter.


Fausto.

[hartiberlin]

Great progress you all are doing !
Welll also the experiment with adding the water cell is interesting.

What Dr.Stiffler said, that the voltage at the AP must be high for overunity,
so if you don?thave 50 LED diodes to try it,
just use a 20 KOhm resistor ( 2 to 5 Watts type) and
see, if you can get across it at least 200 Volts DC.
Also put a cap of at least 1 to 10  uF and 350 Volts rating also in parallel.

If you will have around 200 Volts DC across the 20 KOhm resistor you will
have a heat power output at it of Voltage ^2 / R = 2 Watts.

If you can achieve this with an input of 12 Volts at 0.1amps you
will only need 1.2 Watts of input power.

If Fausto is already over 1000 Volts, I guess he could
probably get it..
Fausto please try at a 20 K Ohm resistor. Many thanks.
Happy experimenting.

Regards, Stefan.

[Spokane1]

Dear Non-Funded Researchers,

I have consulted with a professional who has extensive expertise in evaluating over unity devices. He mentioned that in one failed test the inventor claimed a COP of 1.30 and was using a 1 ohm sense resistor (like so many of us are doing now) to measure energy output. When this resistor was increased to 1K the OU effects of the circuit under test dissapeared.

I am happy to report that in the Dr. Stiffler Technology, the current sense resistor in the middle of the LED string can safely be increased to 1K with no impairment to the circuit performance (that I can notice). This certainly makes tuning adjustments faster when you can see 3-4 digits of resolution.

In my setup (see post #907) I'm using 92 LED's as a load bank. In one very ruff measurement using an analog volt meter I was able to secure a reading of  165V across the entire LED string. The loop current was measured at 1.4 mA (using a 1 ohm sense resistor). This represents an effective load resistance of 117K (if this were classical electricity). Therefore the added 1K of current sense resistance is less than 1% of the apparent load.

Now, as you know, touching the LED array with any metal objects greatly reduces the effects we are observing. So the actual series voltage, with out the meter, is much higher than the measured 165V. This means that the actual effective series load resistance is higher than the calculated 117K and that the 1K sense resistor impacts the circuit even less than 1%.

I recommend using a precession (1% or better)  1000 Ohm resistor as your current sense transducer then divide your voltage measurements by 1000 to establish the actual loop current.

This suggestion only applies to the high voltage portion of the circuit  - in the LED load string. You will still have to use a 1 OHM resistor (or much lower) if you are using this method to establish a value for the input current from the low voltage power source (battery).

Submitted for your consideration,

Spokane1

[Spokane1]

Dear Non-Funded Researchers

Mr. Hartmann proposed the use of one of the 680 uH loop stick coils (less the Ferrite bar)  be inserted between the Thomas Driver and the AV plug.

Scorpio (see post #926) implemented this suggestion and added a series capacitor then increased the value of the feedback capacitor to match. Scorpio then provided a schematic of this variation and a nice photo as well.

I have made these same additions to my set up (see post #926) using a 680 uH litz coil and two (2) 470 pF silver mica capacitors installed as Scorpio has shown.

I am happy to report that this variation in my setup has increased the power output by 25% while increasing the power input by only 18%. My AV plug loop current is now 2.7 mA. (using a 1K current sense resistor) Other measurements to follow when I receive the proper equipment.

There are good historical reasons to pay particular attention to this modification.

My sincere thanks to Scorpio and Mr. Hartmann for disclosing this most useful variation.

Spokane1