Selfrunning cold electricity circuit from Dr.Stiffler

[canam101]

The only thing that concerns me is that the brightness of the LED is only apparent brightness and that its flashing on and off 1000's of time a second.

Does this mean that, so far, there is zero evidence that the circuit is OU? In other words, as far as we know, it is a standard circuit - an rf generator with the antenna connected directly to to the LEDs? The kind of thing that is used in a flashgun?

I sincerely hope that Dr. Stiffler will show up again with some real evidence for OU.

[hartiberlin]

Hi Dean,
dont you think, lighting a few LEDs with just a ground cable is not quite amazing without any battery and all shielded ? So please be more polite. It is not a public forum, but my forum. Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan.

[canam101]

Hi Dean,
dont you think, lighting a few LEDs with just a ground cable is not quite amazing without any battery and all shielded ?

Stefan, I'm not an experimenter, so maybe I am confused, but from reading the posts here, I thought that the circuit is powered, and that it is RF that is powering the diodes through the wire from the coil. i.e., that the wire is an antenna carrying the RF. There is no 'shielding' between the coil wire and the LEDs, is there? I mean, you can put all the aluminum baking pans you want around the circuit, but the antenna is still sitting next to the LEDs.

It sounds to me like the same kind of thing I used to do when I held a neon bulb near a transmitter antenna cable and the bulb would light up.

From what I have read, nobody has managed to figure out how much power is going in vs. how much power is needed to light the LEDs. Until then, what evidence is there that the circuit is any different from an ordinary circuit?

The problem I have is that Stiffler refuses to do anything but give little dribs and drabs of pretty much useless information and is letting experimenters spend time and money floundering around building a standard flash circuit. That is not a very nice thing to do to people.

And when someone asks any question that sounds the slightest bit skeptical, he goes off in a huff.

If somebody has invented the greatest thing since fire, you'd think he would be sending samples to testing laboratories, and publishing exact specs. And, biggest of all, taking some of the output and using it as input - making the thing self-sustaining.

We haven't seen any of that, and at this point, I doubt we ever will.

[DrZLowe7]

According to Dr Stiffler's website, one experiment was done with a 9v 655 mAHr zinc carbon battery as the supply.
He got 27 hours of use with 10 x white leds rated at 3.8V 21mA with equates to 0.798 watts (that assumes the LED's are on 100% of the cycle).
Power from the battery is 9V x 0.655 AHr = 5.895 Watts for one hour or more realistically, 0.5895 watts for 10 hours.
Power out is 0.798 x 27 hours = 21.54 watts for one hour or 2.154 watts for 10 hours.

So 3.6 times more out than in or 360% efficient.
(Sorry for any errors in my  maths)

The only thing that concerns me is that the brightness of the LED is only apparent brightness and that its flashing on and off 1000's of time a second.
The fillament bulb is a much better example and I would be more confident of the results from this.

@ DrZLowe7,
Still waiting for cores, should be here soon hopefully. I ordered some diodes and a couple of variable caps too.

Regards
Rob

I must state again I only described the function of circuit not its performance. Next the LED's are most likely rated at 21ma that does not mean they are using full power a LED will operate quite brightly at much lower than the rated value. (I am not saying he did check the current I just see 21Ma and assume that is LED's rating).  Another thing if it is flashing 1000's times a second your eyes can not detect the flicker still it is energized 50% of the time and of 50% of the time this will extend the life of the power source 2 times as the device is in the off state 50% of the time. This will appear to be overunity of 2X. This also applies if it strobes slow or fast. With a fast strobe the capacitor does not discharge completely the next charging pulse arriving to the capacitor does not take as much current to recharge it again still reducing current draw. Again with a strobe circuit do not assume 100% cycle or should I say constant output drive. Still 360% is very good. Or even if you divide it by 2 still very good. Hope you can reproduce his results. Even if you have longer than usual battery life still good. And yes a filament type bulb will display the current draw increase or decrease better that a LED at least until it gets near white hot..

[MeggerMan]

Just to revise my comment about the flashing of the LED:
I have just remembered that from experimenting with the PIC chip that switching and LED on and off 1000's of times a second just produces a very dimly lit LED.
So putting a scope across the LEDs and looking at the value of series resistor it may be possible to calculate output power.
I suppose the load is odd in that the current will only start flow once the voltage exceeds say 2V per LED (or there abouts).
If nothing else this will make an excellent circuit for a bycle light or work lamp, camping lamp etc.

Regards
Rob