Being Decent To Each Other

[Omnibus]

@billmehess,

Thank you bringing these issues to light. 

In addition my personal feelings of watching these "like minded" battle it out,  is that they choose to discourage vs encourage.  This line of banter has "encouraged" me hold my thoughts, ideas, and concepts to myself, and I will probably continue this line of thought until this board becomes civilized.

As for the comment that things fall apart only at the magnet motor issues ... which is not the case, ...

Take a lesson from "everyone's grandmother" and "If you don't have something nice to say don't say it!"

Not so. Your grandmother is wrong. She may be right for the every day social contacts. She's wrong, however, if she also meant it when Science is being discussed. When you see injustice, incompetence, stupidity, arrogant stupidity, confront it. That's a must. If you're withholding ideas because of fears that you'll be attacked, you aren't convinced enough in these ideas.and you won't be able to defend them properly. The best then is to do what you're doing, withhold them. Believe me, it isn't a useful discussion to throw in just any idea that comes to mind. You have to think it through carefully before posting, out of respect for the other participants. Same applied to a criticism. Just to say you reject something for the sake of rejecting it is really bad style of conducting a scientific discourse, to put it mildly.

[billmehess]

I believe bastonia's post is the core of the discussion, he is holding back his contribution until the forem become "civilized". Because of the fear of belittling I wonder how many more people like him are out there.
Egos are not important here, there are certain individuals in this forem (actually there is quite a number of them)  that I consider to be "elder statemen" . Let them come forward in a spirit of teaching and cooperation.

[Omnibus]

I believe bastonia's post is the core of the discussion, he is holding back his contribution until the forem become "civilized". Because of the fear of belittling I wonder how many more people like him are out there.
Egos are not important here, there are certain individuals in this forem (actually there is quite a number of them)  that I consider to be "elder statemen" . Let them come forward in a spirit of teaching and cooperation.

This isn't a church, my dear. I'm telling you this once more. I understand your good intentions. You're good man. But this will never happen. This is the essence of things. The more important the topic the more the tensions get into high pitch.

[bastonia]

@Ominibus,

Fine... you and your kind are solely responsible for destroying the positive energy that once was on this site,  and all others members who have come out to learn about over-unity for the first time and you cut them down until they have no desire to continue or experience, to learn and grow on the path themselves.

The road to success takes many different roads.  There isn't just one.  If everyone takes the same road ... then there will be no new discoveries for all the journeys will become the same.

Congratulations,  by squashing so many you have doomed yourself and everyone else.

[shruggedatlas]

In the end ideas and concepts will stand or fall on their own merit. Lets address them directly not by attacking personally that individual that proposes them. What do we accomplish by insults and namecalling and implying that a person is incompentent or without merit.
We are all ignorant of different things.
Change is hard!

This is very idealistic and the world would've been a much better place if indeed ideas and concepts will stand or fall on their own merit. This is never so. There has always been a fierce battle between ideas in Science and, unfortunately, many of the ridiculously wrong ideas such as the "theory" of relativity have taken over because those forces supporting it were waging a more efficient, ugly, better financed, meaner battle to install that "theory" while the forces who saw its flaws have been meek and naive as you are, waiting for this stupidity to collapse on its own. It will never happen without fighting it. The "theory" of relativity is an example of one of the most incorrect ideas Science has accepted in its realm of doctrines and still there are quarters in which it persists, let alone that taxpayers are paying millions upon millions for stupid experiments to verify it, something that will never happen. There have been other errors in the Sciences, many of them rightfully rejected, others still persisting in one form or another. For instance, it has already become obvious that another deeply ingrained idea, that of CoE as a general principle, also doesn't stand the scrutiny of the scientific method. Enemies of the scientific method are plenty. Opportunists seeing that it pays more to be conservative and be blind to the facts are abundant. Among these, little minds who don't even know what they're talking about but pretending to discuss science are also standing in the way. It's a mess. And the scales are overwhelmingly inclined towards the status quo. It's safer there. Therefore, someone must take measures and try to fight for reason to be reinstated in these matters. That's inevitable.

If correct, your ideas are revolutionary.  As you know, I have my doubts, but you are right in that I am not qualified to rigorously evaluate them.  At any rate, they are unfortunately being largely uheard.  This is a fringe forum which I am sure not too many serious scientists visit.  I think you would gain alot more traction if you got some validation from your peers.  I am sure it would also give you much satisfaction. 

I have no idea if you are even interested in this, but I venture to guess you might be, seeing as how diligently you defend your positions against all comers.  Surely there is somewhere you can be heard?  Perhaps the University at which you work has a venue for you to be published?  If you won over even a small section of the mainstream, that is that many more more people who may be motivated in making the SMOT work in a productive fashion and validate your ideas.  Your views on Einstein's theory would be heard as well.