Farnsworth Fusor and Multipactor

[wings]

the effect also at medium low pressure ?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1965.msg23706#msg23706

[Terbo]

Wings --

The multipactor patent you reference is very interesting since it uses over-pressure instead of a hard vacuum in its envelope.  Specifically, this device uses 10^13 to 10^15 Torr pressures.  By comparison, 1 Atmosphere pressure = 760 Torr, so we are talking EXTREME pressures exceeding 1 billion normal Atmospheres.  I don't believe these pressures are achievable.  What am I missing?

@Wings

A closer check of this multipactor patent indicates that the pressure ranges are incorrectly printed (typos) in the patent.  For example, the published pressure value of 10^13 Torr in the patent should really read 10 to the minus 3 Torr or 1 milliTorr.  The clue to this error comes from Figure 6 which shows experimental pressure values in the milliTorr range. 

This soft vacuum used in this multipactor is easy to achieve and is a nice enhancement over the hard vacuums required by the original Farnsworth devices.  The use of a plasma instead of a heated tungsten filament is also a nice feature.  This plasma multipactor seems to have much in common with the Correa PAGD devices. 

[ramset]

Terbo.
Sir you speak with authority!This goes over my head,but I know there are fellows here that could Play safely with this.

How do we "Harvest" from this anomoly?
Or at the very least "see" that it can be OU?[which I'm quite sure would fill these pages with experimenters]

Reading the above post by Tak,I see that this electron bombardment tech has seemingly unlimited OU [Korea 22,000X OU]
Its no stretch to see what you see in Correa's PAGD.[That Our friend "Wings" posted the link to]
Can you share any ideas here??
Thank you
Chet

[Terbo]

Terbo.
Sir you speak with authority!This goes over my head,but I know there are fellows here that could Play safely with this.

How do we "Harvest" from this anomoly?
Or at the very least "see" that it can be OU?[which I'm quite sure would fill these pages with experimenters]

Reading the above post by Tak,I see that this electron bombardment tech has seemingly unlimited OU [Korea 22,000X OU]
Its no stretch to see what you see in Correa's PAGD.[That Our friend "Wings" posted the link to]
Can you share any ideas here??
Thank you
Chet

@ramset
Thanks for the warm welcome.  I find multipactors interesting because it is easy to understand how free electrons from secondary emission can create real OU energy when accelerated in a potential field.  Additionally, it appears that the Meeks plasma multipactor being discussed is not too difficult to construct.  Since the Meeks device outputs energy in the 4-8 MHz (HF) range, it could be used to operate lights and heaters directly. Fig 4 in the patent shows how that output could be tapped.  The bigger problem, especially with the Farnsworth devices that output energy in the VHF and microwaves, is how do you convert the RF output to DC for transportation, and to 50/60 Hz AC for appliances?  Semiconductor power rectifiers required for this conversion really don't function well above about 1 MHz. Since the operating frequency of the Meeks plasma device is inversely proportional to it size, maybe one could build one large enough to run in the 100 KHz range where the RF output could be easily rectified to DC.  Any thoughts?

[ramset]

Terbo
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Since the Meeks device outputs energy in the 4-8 MHz (HF) range, it could be used to operate lights and heaters directly.
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Sir,
The Fact that this is solid science,and being done at "Amazing" levels[22,000 more times Out than in] dictates a much closer look for "US".

Your above quote  would be a great start [OU heater]!,Making a low vacuum tube seems very possible [Wings link above]
I have seen other members here that have beautiful examples[XS NRG]!
This specific material that enhances the "Bounce" or production of electrons "Seams" to be a secret?

I spoke on the phone with William Barbat  some weeks ago
and this Chemical [what he called it]was a problem for him,although he had figured it out and was going into agreements for production.

Can you shed any light on a replication protocol that would show OU at any freq?
Thank you
Chet