OVERUNITY ELECTROLYSER - PRESS RELEASE

[hansvonlieven]

My sentiments exactly Earl.

Hans von Lieven

[Grumpy]

I'm sure the inventor of such a device has skills far beyond the skills of us "backyard inventors" and that the requested data will be forthcoming shortly.

Hell, to even bother with a patent, he had to have seen something of interest. (ok maybe not, but giving the benefit of the doubt)

So, Robert, can you release some "general", non-harmful to the protection of your rights, information? 

[hansvonlieven]

G'day Grumpy,

Just as a matter of interest, how many non-working patented devices do you know of?

I have a huge collection of them that I have looked at over the years. A granted patent means little, an application even less. Only independent verification and replication of devices is truly meaningful.

Hans von Lieven

[Grumpy]

G'day Grumpy,

Just as a matter of interest, how many non-working patented devices do you know of?

I have a huge collection of them that I have looked at over the years. A granted patent means little, an application even less. Only independent verification and replication of devices is truly meaningful.

Hans von Lieven

There are numerous non-working patented devices.  Recently the inventor of the Molina-Martinez device explained on this forum that the device does not work (i.e. no real power).  Edison was known to be more concerned with protection of patent rights than with actual functionality - specifically his detection of ether waves or whatever he called it and his subsequent press release describing possible uses before he had a handle on the effect itself.

Yes, an application does not mean much without supporting data.  Like I mentioned before there are over 3500 patent with the same classification as the one listed on the IP.  Patent aside, it will prove a difficult road to bring something like this to market, as there is a great deal of competition, anything resembling free-energy is suspicious, and there are open-source plasma electrolysers detailed on various forums.  ("Prior art" is a real nasty pain in the arse.)

I am well aware that any patent attorney would tell Robert to say absolutely nothing, but some general approximations of the output of the Hope Cell system would be encouraging.  For example, "for XXX power input, you get enough gas to run a 5 HP combustion engine continously for at least 10 hours without a load" - or something similar.

There is a Russian man that has a really interesting plasma electrolyser - I'll try to find that again as he gave the specs for it.

EDIT:  Here it is:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Kanarev_Electrolysis

http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/index.html

[gaby de wilde]

grumpy:
I didn't bash his work.

oh but the electroliars are self identifying.

@walls
You know who you are guys - right? hehehe

now I am gone from this thread.  No sense wasting any more of my time. Bye.

Ah, so you know.

good.