Meyer type WFC - from design and fabrication to test and development.

[razasunny54]

Well i think it might be but how exactly does the water cell act as a capacitor when it has such a low resistance. Tap water doesn't have a dielectric of 80 and we need a gd dielectric material inbetween the plates for it to inhibit electron flow. Mayb after the coating has developed, its starts to act a little bit like a capacitor because of the hard coating but without it, its just a resister. The only cap we would have in the circuit is the capacitance of the choke coil itself (between the bifilar coils) which was about 1700 pF for me. I made my choke from 22 awg wire, 130 turns on a 3 inch long ferrite rod. Im using Lawton style circuit. I heard that there are some mistakes with that circuit, are we suppose to have the diode in the MOSFET going from drain to VDD or should it go somewhere else. When I connect the circuit and i probe on the drain pin of MOSFET, im seeing high spikes at, which im guessing is due to the inductor but theres no step charging effect on the water fuel cell. Im hoping to finish my replication by end of Feb so im working day/night on it. If Lawton didn't use a HV transformer then how could he generate high voltage on the water cell unless he had another big cap in // with the circuit, which charges and then discharges in the water cell. Let me know what you think. im feeling kinda stuck now, I can make good gas but it takes about 3 amps. I am using // plate design and my plates are 1.5 mm apart. Is there a special configuration to setup the plates. I have mine as

+ - + - + -

do you think that putting them as + - - + + - - + would be better. They are SS 316L. I have also tried tunning the choke (i do that by moving the pots and hearing when the choke is singing the loudest but at that point the gas production actually reduces and so does the current. When i bring the pots back, the gas production goes up but the current goes up as well. Am i missing some basic idea here to make this work ??

[Farrah Day]

Hi Raz

I too have been round and round in circles trying to understand what can be occuring and what holds the key - you get to a point where your mind starts to boggle with info and misinfo - but as I said above I think we may simply be looking too hard and being confused by Meyer.

In his technical briefs, Meyer often talks about the dielectric constant of water being around 78, and then goes on to tell us that you can use any old water.  I take most things he says with a pinch of salt as he continually trips up over science and blatantly contradicts himself from one page to another. He even gives the dielectric constant of water as 78 ohms on one page!

Deionised water is great for experimenting with. If you can cause this to greatly ionise then your on the right path, but as it's nearly as expensive as petrol it's pointless to consider using it all the time.

Tap water as you say, conducts fairly well, but nowhere near as well as the metal wiring in the cct, and of course it is this water resistance that produces heat in normal dc electrolysis. 

Now, once we find the solution to get deionised water to ionise, we can then substitute it for tap water as we will at this stage know how to ionise the water without using heavy current. However, as you rightly pointed out, (and this used to be my major headache) once we apply a good voltage across our tap water we will naturally cause standard high current electrolysis to also take place.... unless, that is, we devise a cct to limit current flow.  This I think is what Meyer's so-called, 'electron inhibiting device, extractor cct or whatever', is all about.  We no longer need the high current flow, but we need to inhibit the natural curent flow through tap water while maintaining all the criteria for our new method of ionisation.

I think that maybe the coating on the cathode (which is very high resistance) helps us to naturally inhibit this current flow.

Perhaps, in reality it has very little to do with the capacitance of our cells and the relationship between our cell and the inductors is not so important. More important perhaps is the relationship between the pulse frequency and inductor/s to create the greatest inductive reactance, and the voltage with which to induce ionisation.

Just my current thoughts... but I reserve the right to change my mind at any point!

[joei227]

When I first saw then Meyer video I assumed he was alternating the polarity of the pipes so as to vibrate or spin the water molecules.
Why was he using an alternator?. Then at a certain state of excitation the molecule splits by itself or is induced to do so by a small current.
This seems to be what Dr. Andrija Puharich claimed,

I'm not an engineer so I was wondering if it is possible to design a circuit that accepts a 3 phase ac input and triggers at  the high and low points of each wave  to reverse polarity of the pipes many times  each cycle.
I read somewhere that 600cps is necessary.

[razasunny54]

The Frequency is important because if we put in a pulse we are charging the inductors.We need to time this frequency so the inductors get fully charged and then put a 0 signal (gate time) so the charged inductor can now discharge. This timing is important and we would have to calculate this using the RC time relationship of our inductors.

When im using lawton circuit and im probing the Drain pin of the mosfet with my scope, I see spikes of over 200 volts. Do you know y that is??

[Farrah Day]

Hi Joe

I think Meyer was using an alternator at the time to produce his pulses by rectifying the output. Also of course, ultimately it would be used to power a vehicle and so it would make sense to use the available vehicle alternator, or add a second unit. Either way it would keep things fairly simple.

Raz

I understand that Lawton also saw these high voltage spikes. Read through the info on this link and it is mentioned somewhere a few pages down: http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Water_Fuel_Cell

Are you just using tap water?