"Self Running 900 Watt Fuelless Electrical Generator" Is this new?

[tao]

Isn't this the way EM, you make another amazing set of posts, then I come in and say awesome job and give corroborating insights? LOL... 

Well, just as you did EM, I came upon these three videos from these gentleman just a few days ago, I had only seen the 900watt video before, hadn't seen the other two. I must say, after seeing the videos, I have to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that I think what they are showing is REAL, for many reasons.

Sure, their upfront $100/min fees and general actions SEEM like all the other con artists that have flooded the FE scene, BUT... There is just something about these guys, irregardless of the shady actions, that makes me just HAVE to conclude them innocent until proven guilty. Again, time will tell as it always does.

Without going too much into things at this time, I would just like to make some basic comments about other devices and resonance at this time........

EM, you covered the electromagnetic stuff well, awesome job so far!

I could talk about the Testatika and other electrostatic devices that I have come to personally learn operate via these resonance effects, namely, a resonance between two tanks that allows for the seamless movement of electrostatic charges without much resistance, and the reason for the enormous wattage outputs of these devices...The reason I don't want to get into this right here is because this thread is about Thrapp and the WITS stuff.

Now, something I do want to get into is the water heater of Thrapp, since EM is handling the other devices so well. By looking at the sphere water heater of Thrapp and showing you other devices that operate the same way, you can see why I am giving Thrapp and WITS the benefit of the doubt and declaring them innocent until proven guilty.

Two devices that I know that operate on the SAME principles as Thrapp's sphere water heater are:
1. The resonant water heater of Peter Davey from New Zealand
2. The steam resonator of Stan Meyer(deceased of course) from Ohio

Both devices are known to use resonance (based on the size and physical setup of the metal elements) to heat water VERY efficiently (starting from many thousands of percent). Both use simple electrical circuit setups to send the AC (Davey's device) or pulsed DC (Meyer's device) to the metallic elements that are IN DIRECT contact with the 'liquid to be heated", in both cases being water.

It appears, after much research, that all THREE of the devices, Thrapp's,, Davey's, and Meyer's, they ALL use specific GEOMETRIC metallic elements that are in direct contact with water and specific electric inputs to said metallic structures to produce STANDING WAVES in the water itself which heat the water VERY QUICKLY and VERY EFFICIENTLY...Just listen to Thrapp in the video, he says that the probe that goes to the middle of the sphere is the NEGATIVE, and so the thing on the outside would be the positive and these would be imparted with the correct frequency (based on the size of the sphere!) via electricity and boom, hot water almost instantly... Resonance at its finest...

Before I go off on tangents and keep typing for ever, I want to give you guys some links to the Davey device and the Meyer device...

See this page for the Davey device, there are many pictures on it, showing Davey (now 92 yrs old) and his theory and the history of his device and its supression:

LINK --- http://merlib.org/node/5504

Here are some excerpts from the link:
"Peter Davey, a 92-year-old Christchurch inventor and saxophone player, says he has used his love of music to come up with a device that boils water rapidly"

"The principle is beautiful. I have cashed in on a natural phenomenon and it's all about music," he said.
"If I hadn't been playing the saxophone, I probably wouldn't have come up with the idea."
Davey noticed as he played the saxophone at home that everything resonated at a different frequency.
"The glasses will tinkle on one note. Knives and forks in the drawer will tinkle on another note and I realised that everything has its point of vibration," he said. "In the same way, a component in the ball is tuned to a certain frequency."

"After being constructed, the Davey's telekinetic heater must be "tuned" in two different manners. The first tuning depends on providing the hemispherical bowl (1) with such frequency of the own oscillations, that makes this bowl to resonate acoustically when a sound of the frequency 50 Hertz is emitted nearby. The second tuning of the heater depends on appropriate selecting the distance "L" between both bowls (1) and (2). On this distance depends the formation of the standing wave between both bowls. Thus it decides about the energy efficiency of the entire heater."

I have info on the Meyer steam resonator, but it is very similar to the Davey setup. Meyer's uses two flat plates or two tubes inside each other to achieve the same effects, those being heated water or steam almost instantly!

As you can see from the Davey link above, and specifically from that last quoted excerpt that I put above, its ALL ABOUT THE TUNING!!! (isn't that what SM kept saying? lol) Seriously, its about KNOWING how the designed system is supposed to best resonate and then fine tuning the electrical input, the frequencies, the physical design and orientation of the device, basically everything about the device. Once in resonance, look out!!!

(I had some wine at dinner, so excuse any grammatical or logical errors, lol, j/k)

[esaruoho]

I  did  watch the   vidio  when it was first posted here.     
I also  didn't  recognise  it as a generator  based on resonance .
The  video  doesn't  say it is  based on resonance . it says   you have to know  enough about  different kinds of electon  flows    and only one type of electron flow is taught in  school . 

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they said very distinctly in the video, that  you have to know about different KINDS OF ELECTRICITY than "electron flow" only. this is what bedini is talking about too. if measurement equipment only measures electron flow, and whats happening in the circuit  is high voltage and no current, how can it be measured?
rotoverter, bedini and this 900watt conduit (he called it a conduit, but agreed that you can call it a generator, but that every generator is a conduit to the true source of power - but most do a very poor job of it (untuned))  all seem to go further than electron flow electricity.

he also references tesla when he speaks that there are different types of electricity than just electron flow.

and could everyone learn to write John Keely instead of Kelly
(Kelly wrotea book on alternative energy devices, and that book was published in the 1900s, where as John Keely, who worked with acoustic harmonics and resonance.. was from the 1800s).

there mere fact that these people are tuning into resonance, that they drop the true names (Keely, Moray, Hendershot, STUBBLEFIELD), is VERY IMPORTANT. these are the first videos ive ever encountered where they drop keely+stubblefield+moray into the mix.

there is an interview with that thrapp dude (amish beardie hat dude), on water fuel museum.
here:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/blog/2007/09/29/timothy

please lets keep this conversation going, theres something here, something more than ever before.

[bourne]

I am starting to feel VERY ashamed that I laughed this off at the beginning of the thread.

Sorry everyone.

If you ever read this thread Mr Thrapp please accept my apologies.

[Feynman]

I find it amazing that all this is overlapping. 

EM: Your latest drawing shows a solid-state device.  Am I reading this correctly?   If so, what do you think about the permeability (u) of the iron materials.  In your proposed setup, are you thinking of using regular iron or ferrite for the toroid and rod?  If ferrite is this like H Material, 77 material, etc.?

On resonant heating of water, let me speculate that the standing waves generated in the water might be "scalar waves" (time polarized longitudinal waves) discussed by Bearden and others.  But I am not familiar with the process, so I have no idea!  Just remember how to tell the two kinds of waves apart... imagine the two kind of waves in a slinky.



But back to regular transverse EM . . . I do know this:   I saw videos on youtube showing how the voltage output of a small transformer skyrocketed depending on the input MP3 which was played into it's primary winding.   I believe this has to do with hitting the resonant frequency of the transformer.   

*EDIT:    lol so I find that video I was talking about on youtube, and in the first five seconds it references "I'm doing this for GK at overunity dot com."  Hahahhahahha

Resonant Frequency of Transformers using MP3s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSwQouGPcA

[tao]

For those that didn't see or hear it yet, here is a 1 hour interview with Thomas Thrapp.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/WaterFuelMuseum/2007/09/29/timothy

They go over everything: his upbringing, first thoughts for OU, history of Thrapp's attempts, specific devices and how they work, etc....

This interview makes it harder to just 'write this guy off' as a conman, seriously...