Muller Dynamo

[Khwartz]

Hi Kone!

I've just read something that make me think about what you advise to take the power to feed the cap in Muller's type dynamo:

"Zero Point Energy?

    Such a "sink" has to be at a lower energy state than the surrounding medium and, for the energy to continually flow into it, the energy must be continually pumped out of it. Additionally, this "sink" must maintain a lower energy state while meeting the power requirements of the load attached to it. Electrical energy-watt-seconds-is a product of volts x amps x seconds. Because the period of oscillation does not change, either voltage or current has to be the variable in this system's energy equation. Bifilar wound coils are used in the system because a bifilar wound coil maximizes the voltage difference between its turns, the current is then minimized.

    A coil in our system, then, will be set into oscillation at its resonant frequency by an external power source. During the "zero-point" portion of its cycle the coil will appear as one plate of a capacitor. As the voltage across the coil increases, the amount of charge it can siphon will increase. The energy that is taken into the coil through the small energy window (zero-point), call it what you will, appears to be the key to the success of this system.

    It is at this zero-point where energy is condensed into positive and negative components of current. When energy escapes from the "sink" the magnetic field collapses and a strong magnetic quake is created in it's wake. A properly tuned system can capture and convert radiant energy in such a prescribed arrangement."

Ref.: http://www.teslatech.info/ttstore/report/articles/v2n2art/radiant.htm

And yes, at top of sinus waves (but like at the bottom :/ ) were are at the limit of "the tow components of current" and you do look for BEFM, "the magnetic field collapsing and a strong magnetic quake".

What do you think?

Regards.

[konehead]

Hi Khwartz
Well there is the exttaction, of power from a cap, and there is the filling up of the cap in voltage, so it has some power to extract.
then power in the extraction of the cap is how fast it can discharge to load such as how many discharge-events per second, and what the cap size is in UF, and what is the voltage in cap before discharge, and after discharge.
the power you will have in cap in first place depends upon how quickly the particula size of cap will fill up to whatever voltage you want it to be at...
sinewave peaks at least for coil shorting, is where you want to fill up a cap since you get most voltage in cap and at the fastest rate so you have most  power in cap.
the "zero line" they talk about can be two things - the zero point of current, or the zero point of voltage,  as seen on a scope  -  the sero-point will be the point exactly inbetween the pos peak and neg peak if thinking voltage with typical AC sinewave as an example....
When you create oscillations/reinging with a coil short, or a spark gap, then you make another mini-AC sinewave of oscillaitons, also with their own peaks and zero points to consider in sort of a hyper-frequency....tapping into that is where you get to exponential power increase - this is what Ismael Aviso does in his MEG and other techs....

[Khwartz]

Hi Khwartz

Hi Kone

Well there is the exttaction, of power from a cap, and there is the filling up of the cap in voltage, so it has some power to extract.

I got that, thanks, "the 2 stages"

then power in the extraction of the cap is how fast it can discharge to load such as how many discharge-events per second, and what the cap size is in UF, and what is the voltage in cap before discharge, and after discharge.

ok, so are you ok with that formula:

P = 0.5 * C * E² * f²
with
P: power [Watts, or Joules/sencond],
C: capacitance [Farad],
E: voltage [Volts],
f: frequency of the charging-discharging cycles [Hertz]?

the power you will have in cap in first place depends upon how quickly the particula size of cap will fill up to whatever voltage you want it to be at...

Understand that. But you didn't answer me about the link I've shared to you about the nice effect one have had while adding a relative big cap in term of voltage, but not in terms of capacitance, to a set of existing cap of lower voltage (6 times less around) but of higher capacitance. While doing this, his motor speeded-up without any power supply while it was not the case before he made this change. His theory on this is that the high voltage cap pumps faster the BEMF and help the set of less voltage but higher capacitance to feed faster, something like that. What do you think? Does it fit with the experiment you had with you replications? and was it what Romero did?

sinewave peaks at least for coil shorting, is where you want to fill up a cap since you get most voltage in cap and at the fastest rate so you have most  power in cap.

Would verify the theory of having high voltage cap could pump faster the high voltage produced at the peaks?

the "zero line" they talk about can be two things - the zero point of current, or the zero point of voltage,

Do you mean that current-phase in not late to voltage phase, while a out-put of coil is concerned?  I mean you look to say the nodes are in same phase... what says the scope usually?

as seen on a scope  -  the sero-point will be the point exactly inbetween the pos peak and neg peak if thinking voltage with typical AC sinewave as an example....

Looks logic, but what about the current-zero-point, is that really same time? wouldn't depend on the Henry value of the coil and even of the value of the cap which is shorten with when charging stage?

When you create oscillations/reinging with a coil short, or a spark gap, then you make another mini-AC sinewave of oscillaitons, also with their own peaks and zero points to consider in sort of a hyper-frequency....tapping into that is where you get to exponential power increase - this is what Ismael Aviso does in his MEG and other techs....

Thanks to precise that Kone
Would you say it's like in my attachment?
Regards.

[konehead]

Hi Khwartz
answers within:
ok, so are you ok with that formula:

P = 0.5 * C * E² * f²
with
P: power [Watts, or Joules/sencond],
C: capacitance [Farad],
E: voltage [Volts],
f: frequency of the charging-discharging cycles [Hertz]?

DK: In very very general terms it is "ok", but you need to use all this in that formula I put up:
1) the farad value of capacitor is divided by two
2) the voltage is not some "straight" voltage figure, but is what the SQUARE of the maximum volts MINUS the SQUARE of the minium volts is, so its the voltage-drop you look at, not just the voltage
3).and also the frequency is the frequency of discharge-events PER SECOND....all this stuff I mention that needs to be included is meant to properly convert JOULES release of capacitor into WATTS .
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the power you will have in cap in first place depends upon how quickly the particula size of cap will fill up to whatever voltage you want it to be at..
Understand that. But you didn't answer me about the link I've shared to you about the nice effect one have had while adding a relative big cap in term of voltage, but not in terms of capacitance, to a set of existing cap of lower voltage (6 times less around) but of higher capacitance. While doing this, his motor speeded-up without any power supply while it was not the case before he made this change. His theory on this is that the high voltage cap pumps faster the BEMF and help the set of less voltage but higher capacitance to feed faster, something like that. What do you think? Does it fit with the experiment you had with you replications? and was it what Romero did?

DK: I did not read the link and am not going to either, since I think that author is completely full of crap which is only my personal opinion (I know him and have bad stories about cant be repeated here)
but it is true the the UF value of cap is very important in whatever you are doing, especially since small UF value has very little resistance, while big UF has lots of resistance and the resistnace changes too, as the cap fills also...and spikes and oscliiations can be of such huge voltages, (off the scale) that you must always use HV caps and diodes too, even when you dont think they could help
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sinewave peaks at least for coil shorting, is where you want to fill up a cap since you get most voltage in cap and at the fastest rate so you have most  power in cap.

Would verify the theory of having high voltage cap could pump faster the high voltage produced at the peaks?
DK: Its not a matter of pumping "faster" with HV cap, you jsut NEEDthem  to be of a HV level high enough to  contain all the HV stuff...pumping faster is alot to do with the UF value of the cap - at least in coil shorting...romero didnt use coil shorting remember...he did something different...not sure exaclty what it was and I dont know if he does either! it just worked...

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the "zero line" they talk about can be two things - the zero point of current, or the zero point of voltage,

Do you mean that current-phase in not late to voltage phase, while a out-put of coil is concerned?  (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif) I mean you look to say the nodes are in same phase... what says the scope usually?DK: the zero points and peaks of voltage and current are not "usually" in the "same place" and the current-shape is not "usually" going to resemble exactly the voltage shape either....depends on so many things what the scope-form is going to look like - so I cant say what it is going to look like as depends on cores, magnet strength, postitioning, rpms, caps pulsewidths magnet-coil configuration, what you are doing in first place..... etc etc etc - important thing is to know what it looks like with scope so you can record it for later testing and teaching of what you did to others...

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  as seen on a scope  -  the zero-point will be the point exactly in between the pos peak and neg peak if thinking voltage with typical AC sinewave as an example....

Looks logic, but what about the current-zero-point, is that really same time? wouldn't depend on the Henry value of the coil and even of the value of the cap which is shorten with when charging stage?

DK: the "zero point" with the usual-looking AC sinewave CURRENT is actually same thing - right at midpoint between pos peak and neg peak but if DC, not AC , then its wherever zero current is on scope.
Zero point with either current or voltage is. is just where the scope reads zero there - no big deal really about it - some make "zero point" to mean something special and mysterious but to me that is all it means...but it is special to time things properly, using the zero-point as reference that is for sure.
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When you create oscillations/reinging with a coil short, or a spark gap, then you make another mini-AC sinewave of oscillaitons, also with their own peaks and zero points to consider in sort of a hyper-frequency....tapping into that is where you get to exponential power increase - this is what Ismael Aviso does in his MEG and other techs....

Thanks to precise that Kone (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
Would you say it's like in my attachment?

DK: I dont know where this attachment is...

[konehead]

Hi Mariu
I was looking at your recent bidirecitonal driver circuit with the AC cap and the single diode - and noticed that your have NPN mosfets listed, but the mosfets are placed "positive biased" between the positive of the power supply, and the coil, when NPN mosfets are "supposed" to go between the coil and ground, not the coil and the positive....
I dont knwo if this is mistake or not in your drawing - if it does work like this it is pretty amazing and creative that is for sure.
Also the halleffects have their positive lead go to the source of the mosfet and being an NPN mosfet, that source should connect to ground of halleffect
maybe because of the bidirectional-nature of the mosfets everythign gets flipped around and it is working off the "backwards" energies? I dont know but it looks more crazy the more I look at it....
also, what is the model number of the hall effect yoru are using?
mabye that ozone you smell is the diodes in  mosfets or halls getting toasty as they work backwards??
Mabye the backemf is so strong since it IS "running" off the backemf forces???
Maybe the majority of the power is actually coming from the 9V battery? when you are runing at only 16ma, then mabye the circuit says lets take power from the 9V?...