Power ratio over one

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Name:  handyguy1
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Date Registered:  January 03, 2008, 02:13:48 PM
Last Active:  June 04, 2008, 08:48:39 PM

[wattsup]

@guys

OK, here is the deal. I made an outer coil for my ESM as shown on the previous page of this thread.

The center coiling is composed of standard off the shelf ferrite chokes that I made into the shown configuration. The reason I use them this way is to have both the North and South polarities active from the coil so as not to waste any pulsing energy. The cross scheme is to permit the North polarities to hit one side of the outer coil and the South the other side. So when one pulse in one center coil length, the North will hit the top on the left outer coil and the South will hit the bottom of the right outer coil. When the next pulse happens on the other center coil length, the North will hit the bottom on the left outer coil and the South will hit the top of the right outer coil. All this is done form inside the outer coil pushing outwards. This is basically replicating @handyguys1's swinging magnet system, without any movement.

The center coils have only three connections. One is the common (negative) and the other two are the positives, or it could be that the common is the positive and the other two are the negatives.

I made the outer coil much thinner and taller then @handyguy1's generating coil simply because I did some compass trials with the center coil and the field is very close to the ferrites, whereas his coils are wider because his magnet is shooting the swinging field further out.

By putting my negative to the common and just manually moving the positive power to and from each of the positives I am getting very good coupling into the outer coil. Very good. I put a small 12vdc neon light on the outer coil output and with only 3vdc on the inner coil, the light is pulsing each time I hit the positives.

Now when I pulse manually only one one coil, nothing much happens. It is the alternating between the two coils that is pushing the juice in the outer coil. And it takes about 4-5 pulsing to get the juice flowing. This is very encouraging.

So here is the deal as far as any potential circuitry to run this thing (or non-moving Thingamajigger - lol).

First of all I need to pulse one coil, then the other, then back to the first, and so on relative to my frequency generator. I need anywhere from 3-12vdc pulsing only. Here is the clincher.....

I want to see this thing run with gain being looped back to the source. lol

Let's say I use two 1.5vdc batteries to run. Once I have 6 volts or more on the outer coil capacitor, I want to send 3 vdc back to the input and be able to disconnect the batteries. lol I think this system will be able to do it plus I need an output that can also run some LEDs or other load.

If I can achieve this and it still runs without the batteries connected, I don't think we need more then that to show any OU potential.

The fact that this system will use pulsation that will be 1000s of times faster then @handyguys mechanical swinging action, I am convinced that the results will be great. But when do we think the contrary. lol

Anyways, @Groundloop or others here, if you guys can give me some help for the circuit, I will get it made by my local EEers and hopefully test this ASAP hopefully before the end of the year.

Keep on.

[wattsup]

@all

During the weekend I did some tests with my ESM. It is very promising.

Since I needed a way to pulse each coil alternately, I used two IRF840s and drove them with my computer audio outputs using a frequency generator program that enables me to adjust the left and right frequencies plus it also enables me to adjust the phasing so both pulses do not happen at the same time.

I used only the positive left and right audio outputs leaving the commons together but not connected. The voltage from the audio was extremely minimal and adjusted to have just enough to see the the pulsing on the scope.

My DC power supply was set at 1.5volts and 1.21 amps. Increasing the voltage to the mosfet source did not give that much more gain and actually hindered it a higher levels.

The best frequency for both the left and right audio outputs was at 13112 hertz and the left channel was at phase 0 and the right channel was at phase 38.70. This gave the best gain.

I ran the circuit until the output capacitor showed no more voltage rise after 92 volts.

I put a 12vdc small bulb parallel to output capacitor. It was very dimly lit and the voltage on the meter stayed steady around 1.78 volts.

So all this is telling me that if I can run this with a stand alone circuit that uses the least amount of energy possible and that can be driven with a 1.5 volts to 3 volts battery source, I think there is a way to send the output back to the input and run this in a loop. lol

If any of the members can help out with a circuit, I would appreciate it. Basics is alternate pulsing of 13112 hertz (or around) with a maximum of 3 volts running the circuit to have 1.5 volts to pulse the coils. One of the pulses has to be around 38.7 degrees out of phase with the other.

wattsup

[hartiberlin]

@wattsup

What is the resonance frequency of the outer coil ?
(inductance L with its stray capacitance)

Do you have a scope so you can see this ?

Please drive it at this frequency if you can.


Please use a graetz bridge with fast diodes ( 1N5408 series) at the output of the outer
coil, as it gives you double the output power.

Many thanks for these tests.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

P.S. You could also try, if an Avramenko plug (2 diodes, one cap)
only connected to one pin of the output coil will get you more output power.

It also will have
less drag on the driver coils
at the resonance frequency of the output coil.

Regards, Stefan.