Electrolysis from the past:

[kinggeorge]

 

 
Electrolysis from the past:  Taken from postings of mine on another forum.

Looking over old post from Bill Anderson, always a interesting read, I found the bit of lost (to me anyway) history. Picture and the works at link:

http://www.network6000.com/newsletters/html/november_2005.html

George King
georgeking@cosmicsalamander.com


Magic with Magnetism
If This experimenter is right his discovery will upset all our accepted ideas on this familiar force.

By Alden P. Armagnac (Popular Science June 1944)

Can a magnet take water to pieces? Nosay physics textbooks. Yessays Prof. Felix Ehrenhaftformer director of the Physical Institute at the University of Viennawho now carries on his research in New York. If he should turn out to be right his findings in the realm of magnetism promise practical applications as far-reaching as the dynamosmotorstransformers telephonesand radio that have stemmed from Faraday's fundamental research in electricity.

For his "impossible" experimentDr. Ehrenhaft employs the simplest of apparatus. Two shiny rods of pure Swedish ironsealed in holes through opposite sides of a U-shaped tuberesemble a setup familiar to high-school students for breaking up water into hydrogen and oxygen gases by passing electricity through it. And that is exactly what would happen if Dr. Ehrenhaft attached electric wires from a battery to the rods. But he does no such thing.

Insteadhe uses the iron rods as pole piecesor 'north" and "south" endsof a magnet - either an electromagnet or a permanent magnet. Bubbles of gas rise through the twin columns of acidulated waterto be collected and analyzed. As might be expectednearly all of the gas is hydrogenliberated by a commonplace chemical interaction between the iron rods and the dilute sulfuric acidone percent by volumein the water. But the phenomenal part of the experiment is that oxygen also turns upDr. Ehrenhaft recently told the American Physical Society. To be specificit is found in clearly measurable proportions ranging from two to 12 percent of the total volume of gases. When the gases obtained with a permanent magnet are separatedthe larger proportion of oxygen is found above the north pole of the magnet. After rigorous precautions - including short-circuiting the magnet poles with wireso that the poles will be at the same electric potential - Dr. Ehrenhaft concludes that there is only one place the oxygen can possibly come from. And that is from water decomposed with a magnet! Without a magnetpure hydrogen is evolved.


Bill Anderson
Network 6000Inc.
Author of "Electricity - Make itDon't Buy it"
affiliate@network6000.com; 

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What I think is also important is that this shows that there may be many possible energy saving processes yet not common place in the Electrolysis arena. The work of Dr. Linnard Griffin at  AirGen Corporation with its self  powered HOH generator and reproduced by Resin-Rat on Overunity.com may just be one of many ways to obtain clear energy at lower cost, higher efficiency and hopefully done in the Home Lab environment, Open-Source, for those that want to go the extra miles. 

We need more mini steps that many can both reproduce and gain some useful work from them.  For know I see Electrolysis as the most promising area. Perhaps even a new forum " Works for Me - You try it" of only working solutions, even if they have only modest results.

[NerzhDishual]

Hi Kinggeorge,

Thanks for your post.
Shigeta Hasebe in his US4105528 patent (Apparatus for Decomposition of Aqueous liquid) also used permanent magnets and claimed a very more efficient electrolysis than the classical Faraday's calculation.

Best

[ResinRat2]

Interesting George. I wonder what would happen if a magnet was used to connect the tungsten/carbide and zinc electrodes in a Linnard Griffin Cell instead of a copper wire?

Would having the negative side on the T/C electrode and the positive side on the zinc boost hydrogen production?

Would switching the polarity cause the zinc electrode to regenerate spontaneously, or perhaps speed the reaction rate to regenerate at the same speed as the hydrogen production? Then no power would be required to encourage the zinc to regenerate and free up the oxygen.

I don't think I have any magnets at home, but this sounds like an interesting experiment to try.

Thanks very much for the information.

[kinggeorge]

Hi Kinggeorge,

Thanks for your post.
Shigeta Hasebe in his US4105528 patent (Apparatus for Decomposition of Aqueous liquid) also used permanent magnets and claimed a very more efficient electrolysis than the classical Faraday's calculation.

Best

Thanks NerzhDishual this patent is new to me, I haved added to my research files.
GK

[kinggeorge]

Interesting George. I wonder what would happen if a magnet was used to connect the tungsten/carbide and zinc electrodes in a Linnard Griffin Cell instead of a copper wire?

Would having the negative side on the T/C electrode and the positive side on the zinc boost hydrogen production?

Would switching the polarity cause the zinc electrode to regenerate spontaneously, or perhaps speed the reaction rate to regenerate at the same speed as the hydrogen production? Then no power would be required to encourage the zinc to regenerate and free up the oxygen.

I don't think I have any magnets at home, but this sounds like an interesting experiment to try.

Thanks very much for the information.

Hi RR, I had hoped you would read it. Your Reproduction of Dr. Griffin's work may be the most  important set of post for  Free- Low Cost Clean energy in all the forums.  If we look at his companies claims and your work, it is clear that either H-Fuell-cell or ICE small water fueled energy systems could be produced for little more than the cost of metals and plastic boxs.

We will not see this done of course.

A question for you, did you ever do much with the Voltage the G-Cell produces? If there was no to much gas generation loss, it would be interesting to keep switching it via a inductor fly back or capactor swithing powersupply design and get HOH or H2----O2 and steaped up volage. In a G-cell producking 100 LPM I would thing this is also at lot of useful DC  power.

GK