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The Newman Matrix

Started by gaby de wilde, February 02, 2008, 08:00:33 AM

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Your Work is very impressive.

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Quote from: Koen1 on February 02, 2008, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: gaby de wilde on February 02, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
Imagine the magnet in the center being pulsed
You mean to say we feed pulsed DC to the coil in the location of the central dot in that green grid?

The point is to use use back emf generated by the newman machine, a small seed pulse generates a lot of back emf.

The  best builds have a lot of wire on the coil but you can never build a coil the full size of the magnetic field, it would become to big.

So there is always some flux change lost in all directions.

If we use 3 coils to build 2 Newman machines then they end up overlapping by a whole lot.




This is what the eggs are trying to illustrate here:



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Quoteand the other 26 work as pick up coils.
Alright... why are there permanent magnets inside the coils, and do they need to be askew (scheef) for this to work? Why exactly are they askew anyway? Or is that just for the purposes of this drawing?

Like  I said, a Newman machine is basically made of a magnet rotating inside a coil. If you fix another magnet on an axle and hold it close to it then the other magnet will spin along with the first magnet.

Just like gearing only without the chains.

Like I described here

http://gabydewilde.googlepages.com/magnetmotor-theory
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You can see the newman machine drive external load here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBygG9oN9gY

You can place another Newman machine at any sides of it.

Like that the total back emf will be more then from pulsing 2 seperate Newman machines because their field overlaps and we only used 3 coils in stead of 4.

We then build a big grid like that where we may capture 27 times the scrap flux from 3*9 machines.

I suspect the flux extending beyond the coil will be very useful at 27 times it's strength.

Don't you think? :)

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QuoteThe pulse should be just strong enough to self sustain after hand cranking everything up to speed.
Hand cranking what to speed? You were talking about pulsing the central electromagnet coil, not about cranking anything up to any speed...

The feed pulse(s) should be just strong enough to keep the whole thing spinning, it doesn't have to self start. That would be to much feed power.

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QuoteBut

Perhaps each coil needs pulsing for it to work best.
If you're going to pulse every electromagnet, then what effect would that have?
What exactly do you mean by "it", and how is that different when it "works best"? you're being very unclear. ;)
I thought you suggested pulsing the central coil and using the surroundig coils to collect whatever there is to collect...
But now you're talking about pulsing every coil and using them to collect what? The same energy you just put in? I don't get it...

I'm listing the ways one could tune a setup like this.

If each motor is just wired on it's own with it's own charge battery and it's own feed battery then we get 37 times an extra layer of flux that would otherwise be lost.

But it might not be necessary to feed power into all the rotors.

It would be cool if the whole thing would run on one 50 ma motor in the center generating enough current to power a car. ghehehe ehh I mean to charge up a battery slowly.... lol...

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QuoteOr perhaps one per axle works best.
One per axle? Do you mean to simply do away with the entire matrix grid then,
and simply stack a couple of these coils on top of eachother? How would that be different, exactly?

not at all, this is just a part of the whole. I was giving examples of how much coils can be pulsed at a time. You can start with just one coild having a power imput, then 2, 3 etc up to all 27.

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QuoteOr perhaps just the center pilar.
And now you're definately talking about simply stacking a few of those magnet coils on top ofeachother, doign away with the rest of the grid...

no

QuoteWhat makes you think that could produce OU?

It's called a Newman machine.

http://magnetmotor.go-here.nl/joseph-newman

QuoteI mean, you're talking about a simple stack of a couple of coils... Possibly with permanent magnets in them...
Unless of course you are in fact talking about something quite a bit more intricate, but you omitted to mention the rest of the story...?
Is there some principle that you don't mention here? If so, your story may make a lot more sense than it seems to, but I can't tell...

It took science 50 years to ignore Newman. If the motor is indeed as simple as you say it is it is all the more embarrassing. ;D It sure looks like you are right to me. hehe

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QuoteCan put them all in parallel on one alternator.
Doesn't that depend a whole lot on the actual output pattern?
having the magnet 90 degrees out of phase with the coil is the ideal moment for the pulse so all coils would need to be pulsed at about the same moment.
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QuoteOr perhaps they really need their own communicator each.
Ok now you've lost me. Coils using communicators?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commutator_%28electric%29

There needs to be a source for the pulse in any motor.

Can be electronics, can be a commutator.

I understand the Newman type of engine works best with a sparking wire on the axle separated by some tape.
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Koen1

Thanks Gaby, that helps a lot. Now at least I understand what you're talking about :)
As for the "communicator", I suspected you meant a comutator but I just had to ask.

So you are actually suggesting a Newman type motor setup that uses a 'matrix' of multiple oppositely oriented coil+magnet rotor assemblies?
...interesting idea.... let me get this straight:
and what you suggest is that you can intercept a significant part of the back emf that is lost in a 'normal' single coil+magnet setup,
because all angles are 'covered' by the surrounding coils+magnets?
Which would then use that back emf as input, is that what you're saying?

gaby de wilde

here is an animation of 2 spinning magnets without coils.
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gaby de wilde

Quote from: Koen1 on February 02, 2008, 02:19:44 PM
So you are actually suggesting a Newman type motor setup that uses a 'matrix' of multiple oppositely oriented coil+magnet rotor assemblies?
yes
Quote...interesting idea.... let me get this straight:
and what you suggest is that you can intercept a significant part of the back emf that is lost in a 'normal' single coil+magnet setup,
because all angles are 'covered' by the surrounding coils+magnets?

yes, but should call that flux change I think. Capture flux change. :)

Back emf is the current in the motor when it is working as a generator.

This is caused by the magnetic field changes which are caused by the magnet.:)

QuoteWhich would then use that back emf as input, is that what you're saying?

The (returning) current from all motors may be captured and put into batteries.

We all know that Newman machines work but to make one self sustaining is a different story.

Charging a battery with the back emf also creates shall we say artifacts. Radiant charging may occur. Perhaps it's a chemical effect I have no idea how that works.

I want cheap and simple free energy machines.

The Newman machine is most elegant in it's simplicity.  :-)
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