Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[Grumpy]

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=thane+heins&emb=0&aq=f&aq=f#q=thane%20heins&emb=0&aq=f&aq=f&start=20

I found this video on Google. It shows what look to be three standard round toroids insulated with aluminum foil. A picture is worth a thousand words - 500 if they are all caps.

Too funny Heins. No wonder you never had a chance to review that word document that Meltdown sent you. You don't suppose that if it is true they don't collapse at the same time their is a cavitation resulting in AB effect and mass to atomic energy conversion do you?

The energy has to come from somewhere and cavitation will produce acceleration and void the law of force to produce the afore mentioned conversion.

Ever measured a ratio of the BETA emission to power and compared it to the toroid without the beer can and rock and roll show in the middle? Bet you a dollar the BETA emission is not proportional.

I bet you two dollars that the BETA emission is not a true BETA emission.

Energy comes from the mass, but is not an actual conversion of the physical mass.  The mass is not consumed - it is not a nuclear reaction - not radiation.

[CabinBoy]

So Grumpy, are you betting two bucks that it would possibly be a magical BETA emission? Never heard of this before. Also if you could invalidate E=MC2 I would love to hear about that as well. :-)

Mass is made of lumps of spinning energy we call particles and the three particles (electrons, neutrons and protons) are the three bricks that all mass is made of. Mass and energy is all that there is and it is the same thing in two states.

Mass is formed by a compression of energy made of two opposing longitudinal waves and it is converted back into energy through cavitation which destroys that self pinching wave form. You can't destroy it in either form, mass or energy. You can only convert it back and forth.

That core contains enough atomic energy to run all of Canada for a day. If you used that core for 1000 years, you still could not measure the small amount of mass that is missing with todays scales. This is why Albert Einstein said "Not everything that counts is countable."

Some very credible science has been done and peer reviewed on this subject by people much smarter than all of us put together. You can't rabbit out of an empty hat, there is no magic in science.

Regards.

[Grumpy]

So Grumpy, are you betting two bucks that it would possibly be a magical BETA emission? Never heard of this before. Also if you could invalidate E=MC2 I would love to hear about that as well. :-)

Mass is made of lumps of spinning energy we call particles and the three particles (electrons, neutrons and protons) are the three bricks that all mass is made of. Mass and energy is all that there is and it is the same thing in two states.

Mass is formed by a compression of energy made of two opposing longitudinal waves and it is converted back into energy through cavitation which destroys that self pinching wave form. You can't destroy it in either form, mass or energy. You can only convert it back and forth.

That core contains enough atomic energy to run all of Canada for a day. If you used that core for 1000 years, you still could not measure the small amount of mass that is missing with todays scales. This is why Albert Einstein said "Not everything that counts is countable."

Some very credible science has been done and peer reviewed on this subject by people much smarter than all of us put together. You can't rabbit out of an empty hat, there is no magic in science.

Regards.

I have never cared much for "particles" (electrons, neutrons, protons) - which are then broken down into other "particles" (quarks, gluons, etc.) - especially when the "particles" are just energy in some "state" which is a term that I do like.

BETA detectors measure charge which tells you very little about what caused the charge.  BETA detectors will also detect "other events" that induce or impart a charge in the detector. 

BETA particles travel at about 98% the SoL - the detector does not discern between slower or faster particles or events.

BETA particles typically come from radioactive decay - pretty hard to get that out of some of the devices perported to be OU.

BETA particles are deflected by a magnetic field.  The  BETA detector does not untilize this effect to determine if the detected particle is a really a BETA particle - it just knows a charge appeared.

If mass is not converted during a conversion, perhaps it is converted from potential energy, which is quite ample across the universe.  Is energy supplied to mass to maintain it's existence?

In any event, I think you are on the right track.  I just wanted to point out that not all things are as they seem, even when dealing with particles.

[innovation_station]

Some very credible science has been done and peer reviewed on this subject by people much smarter than all of us put together. You can't rabbit out of an empty hat, there is no magic in science.

Regards.

there only relationships ....  we currently do not understand  fully.....



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[MeltDown]

I have never cared much for "particles" (electrons, neutrons, protons) - which are then broken down into other "particles" (quarks, gluons, etc.) - especially when the "particles" are just energy in some "state" which is a term that I do like.

BETA detectors measure charge which tells you very little about what caused the charge.  BETA detectors will also detect "other events" that induce or impart a charge in the detector. 

BETA particles travel at about 98% the SoL - the detector does not discern between slower or faster particles or events.

BETA particles typically come from radioactive decay - pretty hard to get that out of some of the devices perported to be OU.

BETA particles are deflected by a magnetic field.  The  BETA detector does not untilize this effect to determine if the detected particle is a really a BETA particle - it just knows a charge appeared.

If mass is not converted during a conversion, perhaps it is converted from potential energy, which is quite ample across the universe.  Is energy supplied to mass to maintain it's existence?

In any event, I think you are on the right track.  I just wanted to point out that not all things are as they seem, even when dealing with particles.

Hey grumpy,

Thanks for the push back and a good one at that.

I suppose a lot of what I base that BETA emission suspicion on is that French patent on the isotropic transmutation of FE56 to FE54 at the ferro nuclear magnetic resonant frequency.

You can resonate a core at half that frequency and get the core to resonate at 21MHZ and produce more energy than it should. So where did energy come from?

I know that you are a believer in Aether being a source of energy.

So let's look at Dayton Miller's Earth entrained aether field. It is real and measurable. In fact, it would almost be foolish to not assume it was there before it was measured. Not all the grains of sand on the beach are the same size and perhaps that is why an electron is called an electron cloud.

The Aether is a physical energy field in that it is made of particles. It cannot be measured without action at a distance. Maybe you could reference this for me but I think it was Maxwell that stated the smallest particle was 10 -23 power of the size of the atom.

I spent a few years figuring out why PI didn't resolve. I came to conclusion that when we get to the end of the circle, we begin to split an atom and PI will resolve when it has 10 -23 power decimal places.

The scalar wave breaks into sub harmonics and continues to do so for 10 -23 power. (Something like a million billion million) And so I think that all large masses eject this small cosmic dust including our own Sun and Earth as well. It would explain why spacecraft slow down as they pass the Earth to slingshot off to Mars - something NASA is pondering these days.

But does that produce free energy? There has never been any evidence of that, only belief by people that were alive prior to the understanding of nuclear physics. Even Einstein went from an Aether believer to one that denied it because it would invalidate special relativity.

The fact of the matter is, we can measure BETA radiation. All matter radiates energy and if that BETA emission was proportionally different, that would be a scientific test that would help paint a picture and the most well defined pictures are made of many colors of paint.

I know that probably sounds like that Chancy Gardner from the movie "The Gardener" but it is true.

Grumpy wrote:
"BETA particles typically come from radioactive decay - pretty hard to get that out of some of the devices perported to be OU."


All transformers produce BETA emission. If you could show me a free energy device that does not convert mass into the atomic energy contained within the mass I would very much appreciate that. Which devices are you referring to?

BTW - Hartman has unbanned MeltDown but I would prefer to discuss this in the cavitation thread and leave Thanes thread alone. I am waiting to discuss cavitation under the username that I originally disclosed it under TheBuzz in the proper thread. Doing this just gets me in trouble and I have had enough of that.