Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[MainePower]

Thane - just realism checking in -

MIT's Dr. Zahn - his requests to you for basic supporting evidence blown off as annoying skeptical nonsense - when of course you stated you went to academics because you lacked such discipline.  Ironic.  To think a public response to him wouldn't have even cost you $20K either.  Why not leverage the public disagreement you have with a world wide respected institutional representative like Dr. Zahn and bury his skepticism with facts and evidence not yet entered into the public?  Surely you would be revered by history were you to take on MIT establishment - heck you could even leverage the OU talent body to mount a grass roots scientific twenty-first century debate right here.  Never before in the history of technology could you be forded so much stage with such little evidence.

NASA - Invite revoked.  Or potentially fictional?  I didn't see any NASA letter posted - you seem to have no problem posting personal effects from other institutions like MIT professors, why would you discriminate against NASA?  No scanner handy?

Star - publishes additional fluff piece - when read between the lines is a brag piece about itself and how much user response they've generated to the first story - there's no Thane updates in that piece really, it actually protects you from the truth of the Dr. Zahn letter and doesn't clarify on the NASA invite.  It's unfortunate that you didn't use the opportunity to counter Dr. Zahn's contest from MIT.  It would have been the perfect forum.

NRC scientists?  -  I haven't seen any updates from this front yet, no shows or are they still in the lab from Friday? 

Reproductions after you have been here giving explicit instruction - zero.  (anyone think they're close here on OU?).

If NASA is out, MIT is out, NRC is out and the Dr. from O of U is too busy to accompany you to invites to NASA, then where are you getting the fortitude to continue on here?  What's your next step to getting your invention to light seriously? 
 
I hope you're right and there are five or six people right now running some kind of reproduction right now and soon there will be detailed plans all over the internet, but right now the evidence really points to the contrary.

MainePower

[aether22]

PulsedPower or Thane, in your opinion are most or all bench grinders induction motor run?

The one I'm looking at is either sychronous or induction (based on the speed).

Update: I now feel confident that it will indeed be an induction motor, hopefully cap start. I now feel confident it will be cap start also.

[PulsedPower]

Aether22 the capacitor if present will be hidden in the base, just remove the 2 screws holding on the base cover. Grinders are never synchronous, too much cost and complexity for no tangible benefit.  Looks like you are getting the hang of these motors.

There are 2 ways of using the cap, either for starting or both for starting and running. If it is the former then there will be a cenntrifugal switch inside the motor, if you hear a distinct click as the motor slows down it is this type otherwise it is the cap start and run type. If it is the type with the switch then the capacitor will need to be replaced with one suited for continous duty, starting caps are a special type of electrolytic cap which gets hot if used for more than a few seconds.

[allcanadian]

@MainePower
You should understand that all these so called "credible" persons and institutions have no intention of pursuing this technology, there supposed interest is nothing more than PR for the general public. There only interest in reality is two words---- job protection 

@Heinstein
I found your bi-toroid transformer design very interesting, I had built something similar a few years ago and basically came to the same conclusions you have. I call these machines "alternate path" technologies as realistically that is all that is needed to secure the desired effect. But I think this is only one half of the picture, while we can produce unidirectional flux paths or decoupling of the primary/seconday this is still only an issue of efficient power transfer. My analogy is kicking a flywheel and not dragging your feet on it, as this is basically what conventional motors and generators do--- drag there feet. We are looking for a good kick then a complete free-wheeling effect and this effect must follow through the whole system.

[Heinstein]

MIT's Dr. Zahn - his requests to you for basic supporting evidence blown off as annoying skeptical nonsense - when of course you stated you went to academics because you lacked such discipline.  .

DR ZAHN IS A VERY GENROUS MAN AND DESPITE ALL THE NONSENSE OF LATE HE IS STILL WILLING TO SPEAK TO US WHICH IS AMAZING.

WE GO TO ACCADEMICS TO GET THIRD PARTY EVALUATIONS ON OUR DEVELOPMENTS TO ATTRACT AND PROTECT NEW FINANCIAL INVESTMENT WHICH ALLOWS US TO CONTINUE WORKING.

Fwd: Zahn hysteresis, voltage and current measurements of a  toroidal coil wound around an iron core with a nonlinear magnetization  characteristic.

Markus Zahn <zahn@MIT.EDU> wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 15:24:56 -0500
To: "Thane C. Heins" <thane_heins@yahoo.ca>
From: Markus Zahn <zahn@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Zahn hysteresis, voltage and current measurements of a
toroidal coil wound around an iron core with a nonlinear magnetization
characteristic.
CC: zahn@mit.edu

Dear Thane:

I attach 4 oscilloscope pictures showing the effects of a strong permanent
magnet (about 1400 Gauss) on the hysteresis curve experiment that I emailed
you a few weeks ago described in Demonstration 9.4.1 of the Haus/Melcher
text book and shown in the video.

C:\ThaneHeins\HysteresisCurve-NoMagnet.bmp; shows the hysteresis curve
with no permanent magnet present.

C:\ThaneHeins\With Magnet.bmp; shows the hysteresis curve with the
permanent magnet just touching the toroidal copper winding surrounding the
hysteretic magnet core. The vertical and horizontal voltage scales are the
same in these two hysteresis measurements. Note the hysteresis curve with
the magnet present has about half the area of the hysteresis curve with no
magnet present. This indicates about half the power dissipated due to
hysteresis with the magnet present. Note also that with the magnet present
the hysteresis curve has reached into the saturation region.

C:\ThaneHeins\NoMagnet.bmp; shows the scaled voltage (nice looking sine
wave) and the scaled current (with some higher order harmonics due to
nonlinear magnetization characteristic of coil). No magnet was present
during this measurement.

C:\ThaneHeins\With Magnet.bmp; shows the scaled voltage (slightly
distorted sine wave) and the scaled current (with much larger peak
amplitude and lots of third harmonic current due to nonlinear magnetization
characteristic of coil). The permanent magnet was present during this
measurement and because the hysteresis curve was driven to saturation the
voltage became somewhat distorted and the current had much high current
contributions from third and higher harmonics.

From the voltage and current measurements it is possible to calculate the
total input energy to the coil. I suggest that you do the same type of
measurements of voltage, current, and B-H curves in your motors. Using
Labview to process your waveforms and the addition of a torque meter and
tachometer for measuring shaft speed, you should be able to quantitatively
verify the increase in torque and speed as well as increased electrical
energy in from the wall due to the draw of higher harmonic currents. It is
my opinion that doing this will let you better understand your observations
and can lead to more efficient motors. This would provide you with
quantitative proof that the motor becomes more efficient that could offer
practical energy conservation applications and increased machine performance.

Good luck,

Mark

Markus Zahn
Thomas and Gerd Perkins Professor of Electrical Engineering and
Director, VI-A Internship Program
MIT
Room 10-174
Cambridge, MA 02139
Tel: 617-253-4688
Fax: 617-258-6774
email: zahn@mit.edu


"Thane C. Heins" <thane_heins@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 11:22:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Thane C. Heins" <thane_heins@yahoo.ca>
Subject: Fwd: MvsH curves and their effect on machine efficiency
To: Markus Zahn <zahn@MIT.EDU>
CC: kcunningham@OCRI.ca


Dear Dr. Zahn,

Thank you for your comments. We are doing the tests you suggest as we speak, however we looked into the hysterisis question three weeks prior to meeting with you in an effort to be as prepared as possible.

We concluded (for ourselves at least) that it is a fair assumption to make for the small permanent magnet experiment but a difficult stretch if applied to the AC generator because the acceleration is so much more pronounced, (see Dr. Bilaniuk?s comments below).

Sincerely
Thane