Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[OilBarren]

I'm a big fan of simple, but I recognize the problems with this method as was referenced by comments above. To counter those issues we could build a "super simple" test of total energy - run the device with a purely mechanical nonmagnetic light load ex. a simple string winder -  place a wooden spool against the motor wheel with a length of string while housed in the "apparatus" using a carefully measured constant amount of energy (hopefully a small battery pack for consistency)... and measure how much string was rolled up. Then remove the motor from the apparatus and run the same test. If the spool rolls more string it is more efficient, if not it is less. This should avoid all of the issues of hysterisis and proper power measurement...

IS THIS NOT SIMPLE ENOUGH?
THIS ACTUAL TEST DATA FROM THE OVERUNITY DEMO AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY FOR LUC AND STEVE.

TEST #1 = NO LOAD ? COIL # 2 = 0.92 VOLTS / INPUT = 275 W SYSTEM SPEED = 60 RPM (approx)
TEST # 2 = MAXIMUM LOAD ? COIL # 2 = 177.7 V / INPUT = 200 W SYSTEM SPEED = 1500 RPM (approx)

COIL # 2 IS OPEN IN BOTH  TESTS
AND TEST # 1 IS ALL OPEN CIRCUITED COILS

WHEREAS TEST # 2 ALL THE COILS WERE SHORTED (except # 2)
ALL OTHER COILS EMPLOYED TO DRIVE UP THE SYSTEM RPM

YOU MAY ALSO NOTICE THAT THE INPUT VOLTAGE IN TEST # 1 IS 75.2 VOLTS
IN TEST # 2 THE INPUT VOLTAGE IS 7.2 % V LOWER AND COIL # 2?s OUTPUT VOLTAGE IS 19,215.2 % HIGHER.

SOMETHING IS ACCELERATING THE SYSTEM AND IT AIN'T THE MOTOR.
THE ONLY VARIABLE THAT HAS CHANGED IS CURRENT FLOW IN THE COILS.

Thane

[LarryC]

Hi All,

I know that the Bi-Toroid generator approach seems to have been dropped due to poor results, but I have been slowly working on my EI steel lamination version and just wanted to pass on the results of my testing. It shows some promise.

I wound three coils using 28 gauge wire, two secondary coils at 6.9 ohms apiece and one primary coil at 12 ohms. In all testing an AC input of 6.8 volts from the split secondary of a 120 to 12.6 volt transformer was used. A load of 27 ohms on each secondary was used, 100 and 220 were also tested but the 27 produced the best wattage.

First a series of test were made with the coils set up as a regular transformer so that a comparison could be made to the generator version.

Test 1 AC input using a 12 ohms resistor as a load.

AC             6.81V    557MA   3.79W   

Test 2 Transformer with secondary coils open.

Primary      6.91V   37.3MA   .258W

Test 3 Transformer with 27 ohms on each secondary coil.

Primary     6.88V    67.6MA   .465W
Sec 1         1.77V    61.9MA   .110W
Sec 2         1.74V    61.3MA   .107W

Transformer Notes:
1. The BEMF in the Primary reduced the 3.79W for a 12 ohms resister to .258W in the 12 ohms primary coil.
2. The primary wattage increased by .207 in test 3 which is close to the .217 watts      produced by the two secondary coils.
3. As expected the made up transformer with the hand wrapped coils, unusual configuration and rather loose components was not as efficient as the normal 80% for small factory made transformers. It was only 47%, but this gives a good baseline for the generator capabilities. But if the generator primary works as stated (secondary coils always open), then the efficiency could be much higher.




Second a series of test were made with the coils set up as proposed in the Bi-Toroid generator design, this is a similar Bi-Rectangular design.


Test 1 Generator Primary coil and Primary bar only.

Primary    6.70V   456MA   3.06W    (Wow, almost bad as 12 ohms resistor. )


Test 2 Generator complete with secondary coils open.

Primary   6.88V   231MA   1.59W   


Test 3 Generator with 27 ohms load on each secondary.

Primary   6.81V   228MA   1.55W
Sec 1       1.28V    45MA     .057W
Sec 2       1.29V    44MA     .057W

         
It was apparent after test 1 and 2 that the air gap is causing the BEMF to get out of its amperage blocking phase and allows more amperage to be drawn by the primary. The air gap when the primary bar is within the generator base was a little less than 1 MM at each end. I then added a metal shim on each end to cut the spacing to .5 MM and got the following results. This is not the best way as it should also increase eddy currents.

Test 4 Generator complete with secondary coils open.

Primary   6.84V   207MA   1.42W


Test 5 Generator with 27 ohms load on each secondary.

Primary   6.85V   207MA    1.42W 
Sec 1       1.42V     50MA      .071W   
Sec 1       1.42V     50MA      .071W


Generator Notes:

1. Generator test 4 and 5 are significant in that for the same input wattage, .142W output wattage was gained in test 5. My transformer input wattage went up to match the additional output wattage. This shows that an open secondary or a loaded secondary does use the same input wattage!2. Generator test 2 and 4 show that by decreasing the air gap that the input wattage is reduced and the output wattage increased. An air gap of .1 MM or less should be used. I don?t have the equipment to attain that critical of a gap.
3. The efficiency of the generator in transformer terms would have only been 10% compared to 47% for the transformer. I?m sure this could be significantly improved with the reduced air gap.



For any future questioning, please note that my only test tool is a decent multimeter, no wattmeter or oscilloscope for additional testing.

Regards,
Larry


     

[aether22]

Actually you won't, it's impossible.

WHAT'S IMPOSSIBLE?


Normal induction is never DC unless it is a faraday/homopolar generator.
A magnetic field increasing in a coil creates the opposite EMF to what it gets when the same field decays again.

If it were possible to get a net DC induction in say a transformer for instance then you could just have many different transformers in slightly different phases and put the secondaries in series for flat DC output which would not load the primaries.

If you ever do get net directional voltage induced in a coil (not counting commutated switches, diode rectification or Faraday disk generators) something very weird and strange (and cool) is going on.

[OilBarren]

Normal induction is never DC unless it is a faraday/homopolar generator.
A magnetic field increasing in a coil creates the opposite EMF to what it gets when the same field decays again.

If you ever do get net directional voltage induced in a coil (not counting commutated switches, diode rectification or Faraday disk generators) something very weird and strange (and cool) is going on.[/color

WHO SAID DC INDUCTION?
Not that I'm Homopolarphobic or anything

I SAID, "YES YOU DO (GET ACCELERATION)
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS YOUR AC OUTPUT "SINE WAVE" WILL STAY ON ONE SIDE OF THE ZERO AXIS".
(My mistake for adding that nit-pick fodder)

THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT ACCELERATION WAS IT NOT?

SO THE ANSWER IS: YES
YOU WILL GET ACCELERATION IF YOU USE JUST NORTH POLE FACING MAGNETS AND YOU WILL GET ACCELERATION IF YOU USE JUST SOUTH FACING MAGNETS ALTHOUGH IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE PERFORMANCE IS NOT AS PRONOUNCED.

Thane

[innovation_station]

 
i like your comic Thane


lol

i can just keep cranknmout    if you all like ......

yes another busy day lol 


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+5 more 2day     i just love what i do

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