Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[polarbreeze]

...But you say, ?We know and can measure all forms of energy!?  Oh really?  That?s either arrogance or naivete talking...

markzpeiverson, I'm not sure who you're quoting but I didn't say that.

[polarbreeze]

?In a CLOSED system.?  What does that mean?  It means that you are aware of and can monitor/measure ALL sources of energy in the system under test (heat, electrical, chemical, kinetic, potential, nuclear, etc.).  If there is any possibility that some other form of energy is present in the system, then one would need to be able to monitor that other form of energy in order to make any kind of determination concerning the LoCE.

Yep, absolutely right. And there's even a real-life example of that, to change topics for a short moment: we all know that if there were a nuclear reaction going on inside that closed system, then there is a conversion going on between matter and energy so the classical LoCE does not apply. BUT, if I'm  dealing with a classical system (say, I'm trying to figure out the fuel economy of a car for example), then I don't need to worry about the possibility of a nuclear reaction because the classical LoCE fully and precisely describes the system.

By the same token, this motor/generator arrangement of Thane's, which is also a closed system, can be fully described by the classical model with the classical LoCE fully and simply in effect. There are absolutely no external observations that have been made of this closed system that cannot be described by a classical model. So there is no reason at all to be speculating on some other, non-classical, source/sink of energy (whether it's nuclear or ZPF or whatever).

[innovation_station]

so....

here is the final answer

TESLA'S RADIENT ENGERY CONVERSION

or if you like THE SUN!!

THIS IS THE REASON THIS IS POSIBLE ........

ist

[jacksatan]

The dfinition of conservation of energy is somewhat unimportant... to me it means "you can't deliver electricity to my home for less than a nickel a kilowatt"... if you can, you'll be my hero - with or without conservation of energy...

[aether22]

Whoa!

Ok, THIS IS BIG!

Actually it needs it's own thread! it's freaking HUGE.

I just woke up and still had eddy currents on my mind and I realized that for open path magnetic systems EVERY SINGLE METHOD EVERY USED TO DIVIDE THE CORE IS USELESS OR NEARLY SO! (Laminates halve it no they don't)

The ONLY way to do it is to have a cut ring, or a coil with or without breaks in it. (but obviously not shorted and must be insulated as it is more vulnerable than normal laminates)

This impacts every Adams motor ever made, EVER, this impacts Thanes generator, this impacts the majority of OU electromagnetic designs.

This has either been hurting the efficiency of, or possibly even a hidden ingredient of every open circuit electromagnetic device.

Let me explain, with open paths the flux leaks out so the further you get away from the source the field is less strong and so is the induction from it if time varying.
And so currents induced in strongly induced locations will short through currents in poorly induced locations.

Now that piece I have already said, the amazing thing is that if you think about it, it matters not one iota if you cut the core up length wise, think about it, current will still flow just fine. (yes, it would be odd looking but it will still flow pretty much the same, the fact that the currents must pass each other in a long thin wire means nothing!)

This is HUGE and I will make a separate post in the OU forum for it.
If anyone 'get's it' and wants to make pictures to help others understand go ahead, I really need to get building.

edit: made a pic