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Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

Started by couldbe, February 20, 2008, 08:45:25 AM

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sm0ky2

If you place the pendulum into the gate, and force it to sit at bottom-dead-center
(this takes energy) - then slightly-offset the gate, sending it to the end of the repelling zone
(this takes that energy back out) - then from the outside of the repelling zone, you then lift the pendulum to its 'starting' height - all energy is accounted for.

so, why when we let it go is there an 'observed' gain? Maybe this isn't overunity, but there is i feel, an unexplained action occuring here, that deserved a little more attention.

@ Everyone - My Extended Gate example is nothing near overunity. the repulsion field is enourmous. That gate would have to extend several meters to show signs of "OU".

@ Graham

i dont know what the extra energy is required to start it there. and honestly i dont know where this "30cm" came from..  that was one of many tries, it took until the roller traveled through without sticking to the sides.
I made that video just to demonstrate the increased linear-force presented in your:
"Extended Tri-Force".
The field created by that type of gate is over-powered in one direction, and thus the frontal gate repulsion is equally overpowered to balance it out.

i wasnt paying much attention to how far/close i started it, that wasnt an experiment, it was just a demonstration.
i got it past the repulsion, and held it in place long enough to get the camera rolling...



I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

Omnibus

QuoteIf you place the pendulum into the gate, and force it to sit at bottom-dead-center
(this takes energy) - then slightly-offset the gate, sending it to the end of the repelling zone
(this takes that energy back out) - then from the outside of the repelling zone, you then lift the pendulum to its 'starting' height - all energy is accounted for.

so, why when we let it go is there an 'observed' gain? Maybe this isn't overunity, but there is i feel, an unexplained action occuring here, that deserved a little more attention.

This deserves attention, no doubt. However, it isn?t as clear cut as you put it. It isn't obvious that the accounting of energy is as simple as you're stating above. In SMOT and in the magnetic propulsor I gave you a link to it is clear cut.

Omnibus

Another thing that isn't obvious is your implication that if you extend that several meters the input repulsion will be overcome. Overcoming that repulsion (that's the sticky spot per se) is the gist of the matter in these experiments in trying to achieve self-sustaining run. Not solved until now in a continuous variant--the only solution so far is the overcoming of the sticky spot in SMOT thus causing it to produce excess energy discontinuously (violating CoE).

sm0ky2

Quote from: Omnibus on February 29, 2008, 01:10:45 AM
Another thing that isn't obvious is your implication that if you extend that several meters the input repulsion will be overcome. Overcoming that repulsion (that's the sticky spot per se) is the gist of the matter in these experiments in trying to achieve self-sustaining run. Not solved until now in a continuous variant--the only solution so far is the overcoming of the sticky spot in SMOT thus causing it to produce excess energy discontinuously (violating CoE).

no the "gist" of the experiment is verifying that energy IN, is greater than energy OUT.

while looping the system would verify this, this is not the only way it can be done. nor the only way it should be done, to understand where the excess energy is comming from.

now - to move a mass, across a horizontal distance requires some ammount of energy.
mass-gravity-surfacearea....
so i would say that the length of the gates matters a good deal. there is a distance at which the work done by the array of gates has performed more work than was required to overcome the initial repulsion field. If the gates can possibly reach this distance - then "OU" would be established.

Wether or not the repulsion force at the END of the gate can overcome the force at the BEGINING is frankly irrelevant from this perspective.
I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.

sm0ky2

@SMOT-ientists

The SMOT requires energy "input" at both ends.

1) to lift the ball and place it into position for SMOTing
and
2) to remove the ball FROM the other end of the SMOT

This Energy is NOT overcome after applying a gravitational field to remove the ball.
You must STILL input MORE energy into the system to LIFT the ball back up against that same gravitational field, to get the ball to where it started.

SMOT = not CoE.

I was fixing a shower-rod, slipped and hit my head on the sink. When i came to, that's when i had the idea for the "Flux Capacitor", Which makes Perpetual Motion possible.