My Bessler Quest

[Alexioco]

What I have learnt so far...

MT 9: This is how he attached his weights, but they were not attached as they are in MT 9, they need to be attached some other way

MT 10: It is not complete until changes have been made... Notice that there are more weights...

MT 11: The outer weights may need to be attached to the inner weights (working in pairs)

MT 14: The outside weights pull on the inside weighted bars.

Ask any of those who have groped inside my Wheel and grasped its axle" - "Rather, it has many compartments, and is pierced all over with various holes.

so weighted bars can slide (two bars = cross bar)

MT 15: This is how the weights are positioned in the wheel, but the movement in order to get them like that is not seen in this alone

MT15... From this drawing alone, however, nothing of the prime mover's source can be seen or deduced although the figure shows the superior weight.

Maybe the other wheels mentioned above when combined will reveal the prime mover

Notice how all of the wheels work in similar ways, meaning MT 9 is the basis, the weights in MT 9 may need to be disconnected, then doubled like MT 11, except the innerweights need to be like they are in MT 14, then the outer weights can be connected to the inner weighted bars, then the inner bars need to be lengthened and we end up with MT 15, but then the prime mover needs to be completed, once this is done, we have a runner. (MT 15 works the same way as MT 14, except the bars in MT 15 are longer and the outer weights are not connected to eachother)

We have learned how MT 14 works as I said earlier, now notice this, MT 14 only has half of the weights connected to the inner bars (There is half the amount of weighted bars on the inner than the outer weights), every other weight is not connected except to each other, but we diconnected them earlier, so what are the other weights doing? Some other use has to come in which may complete the prime mover...

What backs up my disconnection of weights is this, that MT 15 does not have the outer weights connected to each other, only the bars are connected to the outer weights, the outer weights now need to be doubled, then some other use they must perform to complete the prime mover?
That is why MT 15 alone does not reveal the prime mover but once the outer, now inner weights are doubled, they need to help with the lifting of the bars some how, then it is possible that we have a runner...

One more thing, the long bars in MT 15 could have springs attached on them, so when they lift at the bottom, they could compress the springs at the bottom, then the spring with the help of the weights would shoot the bar upwards at the top, just an idea...

[Dgraphic911]

very nice post, i have only been at my wheel quest for about a month, I was thinking that the  early drawings meant nothing, as my understanding was that this book was a progression of failiures and the erly ones did not work.

AM i Wrong, was the book written as a complete unit after the wheel was working and it has clues? I assumed it was his sketch book and showed progressive variations in thinking. Which would have meant to me that the early pics 1-120 were to show us where not to go.


Anybody with feedback would be great.


Also if anyone has not already done so that is new and might stumble upon this, On the other WHEEL their is also a discussion board, but better yet it has the historical posts. Its great reading and has many ideas and failed attempts. But what is the funniest is the so called experienced builders on this site make all of the same mistakes new people do, Claims they have it and the like.  Also John Collins appears to be highly active in the early days and also Stefan. Who i believe is the founder of this site.


But anyway. i would say required reading is all the posts (history included on that site) it will take several hours but gives valuable insight into what everyone is willing to share. Also its valuable because everyone stays away from discussing the one idea they are all working on. LEVERs and Pendulums.

Its funny to see them hint around and change direction. Its most likely where all bessler fanatics are focusing after playing with several variations of failed wheels. But you will see they keep any Pendulum info close to the belt. Which i believe is bessler's little Joke.


I constantly think.

And you still do not see......

[Alexioco]

very nice post, i have only been at my wheel quest for about a month, I was thinking that the  early drawings meant nothing, as my understanding was that this book was a progression of failiures and the erly ones did not work.

AM i Wrong, was the book written as a complete unit after the wheel was working and it has clues? I assumed it was his sketch book and showed progressive variations in thinking. Which would have meant to me that the early pics 1-120 were to show us where not to go.


Anybody with feedback would be great.


Also if anyone has not already done so that is new and might stumble upon this, On the other WHEEL their is also a discussion board, but better yet it has the historical posts. Its great reading and has many ideas and failed attempts. But what is the funniest is the so called experienced builders on this site make all of the same mistakes new people do, Claims they have it and the like.  Also John Collins appears to be highly active in the early days and also Stefan. Who i believe is the founder of this site.


But anyway. i would say required reading is all the posts (history included on that site) it will take several hours but gives valuable insight into what everyone is willing to share. Also its valuable because everyone stays away from discussing the one idea they are all working on. LEVERs and Pendulums.

Its funny to see them hint around and change direction. Its most likely where all bessler fanatics are focusing after playing with several variations of failed wheels. But you will see they keep any Pendulum info close to the belt. Which i believe is bessler's little Joke.


I constantly think.

And you still do not see......

Keeping these things a secret is a little bit like, someone who wants to be Bessler saying: Look at me. Then again, I once kept my wheel a secret, so I can?t really say anything
Anyway, where do I read about the historical part?

[Dgraphic911]

01-03 archive

http://besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html


03- 03 archive

http://besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/wwwboard2.html


seems to be alot of good stuf from back when people were newer to the idea of sharing, They all thought they were so close back then, seems nothing has changed.


also this

http://www.scribd.com/doc/445852/Perpetual-Motion-History?ga_related_doc=1



Perpetual motion book from much further back, seems par for the course if you know what i mean

[Alexioco]

01-03 archive

http://besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html


03- 03 archive

http://besslerwheel.com/wwwboard/wwwboard2.html


seems to be alot of good stuf from back when people were newer to the idea of sharing, They all thought they were so close back then, seems nothing has changed.


also this

http://www.scribd.com/doc/445852/Perpetual-Motion-History?ga_related_doc=1



Perpetual motion book from much further back, seems par for the course if you know what i mean

Thanks, should be helpful