Such thing as too small of AWG? 44?

[EvilXBOX]

that's why I would mention it, but I need to make sure it's one of those, becasue I think the Gray patent that I have is more magnet than electromagnet, more perpetual motion than control
so I may not bother...and then just start a new thread for when I start

[wattsup]

@EvilXBOX

Too much of anything is not too good. You're saying if xx awg is good then 44 awg is better is not necessarily true so you should watch out before trying.

44 awg wire is generally used in bundled Litz wire. The wire is so thin that it has to be bundled with 7 or more of the same to be used. Applications are generally for very high frequency and next to no amperage.

If you wind a coil with this, it will have to be perfectly wound, no overlaps, no empty spaces. If you plan on sending 2000 volts even at low amps, you will have aching inside the coil if there is the slightest void. This arching will break the wire deep inside the coil and then you will be really stuck.

I think you are mistaking wire mass, with wire length. You can have one pound of wire at 44 awg and one pound of wire at 34 awg. Both will fit the same coil dimension. But for the 44 awg to generate the appropriate magnetic field effect to do the work it is designed to do, it may require more voltage to overcome the inherent resistance of the coil, to the extent that the wire itself will not hold, whereas the 34 awg has the same pound value and could probably be driven at a more convenient voltage level to both produce the mag field required and also to ensure a modicum of system durability.

44 AWG is almost impossible to wind manually. You would need some very solid jig setup to ensure perfect wire alignment, non stress wrapping or it will simply break. ouch.

[EvilXBOX]

I understand that I have to be careful with such a tiny wire breaking.
and I had each pound/feet correct, if you look at oemwire.com I used their measurements
More voltage is not a problem, the problem is the amps alot of the time...the point of when the thinner wire becomes a benifit is in the number of winds/length...pound per pound thinner is better, and unless the energy going into it becomes heat, the resistance is more like a resistor after a capicitor, it will use up only a little at a time, that's why bigger wires are called amperage HOGs

[wattsup]

@EvilXBOX

When motors have heavier awg windings it is mainly because they are rated at much higher torques so they draw more volts/amps. All of these schemes will have good and bad sides and creators have to find the right middle ground. I still say 44 awg is kind of extreme on one side. One bad flyback and those windings will toast. But you will learn this as you go along.

[EvilXBOX]

I do plan on covering the rotors with some red paint to make sure it never grounds, amongst other things...and this is just a deal, so I figured it would be better to jump on it while it's around