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OU/COP>1 switched cap PS cct like Tesla's 'charge siphoning'

Started by nul-points, April 04, 2008, 11:49:23 PM

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gyulasun

Hi Sandy,

Was it this text here: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm
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Counsel

Speaking of your not having perfectly undamped waves at that time, you were referring to that character of circuit?

Tesla

Yes, but with another kind of circuit I could, of course.  The advantage of this apparatus was the delivering of energy at short intervals whereby one could increase activity, and with this scheme I was able to perform all of those wonderful experiments which have been reprinted from time to time in the technical papers.  I would take energy out of a circuit at rates of hundreds or thousands of horsepower.  In Colorado, I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time.  You could not produce that activity with an undamped wave.  The damped wave is of advantage because it gives you, with a generator of 1 kilowatt, an activity of 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, or 5,000 kilowatts; whereas, if you have a continuous or undamped wave, 1 kilowatt gives you only wave energy at the rate of 1 kilowatt and nothing more.   That is the reason why the system with a quenched gap has become popular.

I have refined this so that I have been able to take energy out of engines by drawing on their momentum.  For instance, if the engine is of 200 horsepower, I take the energy out for a minute interval of time, at a rate of 5,000 or 6,000 horsepower, then I store [it] in a condenser and discharge the same at the rate of several millions of horsepower.  That is how these wonderful effects are produced.  The condenser is the most wonderful instrument, as I have stated in my writings, because it enables us to attain greater activities than are practical with explosives.  There is no limit to the energy which you can develop with a condenser.  There is a limit to the energy which you can develop with an explosive.
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nul-points

@argona
it's a funny old world - you run your 'thumper' and onlly get 1000V on your cap and its a disaster - if i got 1000V i'd be ordering the champagne

on the other hand, if you were getting  25% (of 125kV) self-recharge volts on your caps you might have stored them away with a shorting strap in place!

@Gyula
yes, some of that wording looks familiar - however, the rest of the wording looks new, so i'm thinking that what i read was either a highly-edited version of that interview, or else someone had taken a selection of the statements and made their own 'quote' of Tesla out-of-context

thanks for finding that - i'm glad i've seen the full version now!
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"To be is to do"  ---  Jean Paul Sarte;
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nul-points

@tak22 & NerzhDishual
more detail on inductor, as promised:-

- 0.45mm diam. laquered copper wire (solderable)
- wound in two sections, one each on two tubular ferrites:
  a)3cm long x 1.8cm o/diam., 0.7cm i/diam. approx
  b)2.2cm long x 3.2cm o/diam., 2cm i/diam. approx
- approx 2 full layers wound tightly on ferrite (a) so that it can just slide inside ferrite (b);
- approx 3 full layers wound tightly on ferrite (b)
- 2R total resistance (approx), connected in series, sequence selected for highest C3 volts

to begin with, i would suggest just using the type (b) ferrite with all the turns in one winding

i'll try that also and confirm here if it is really necessary to use type (a) and type (b) together

the biasing ring-magnet is not needed - it makes no visible difference in the current experiment

however, placing the inductor in between additional type (b) ferrites at each end does increase the output by a visible amount (a few %?)

i've tried some alternative diodes and found that Silicon signal diodes are ok

they increased the total time taken to charge C3 and reduced the output slightly but i was able to adjust the switching on/off periods to bring the total voltage back to 2.67V over an approx 45s period

so, types 1N914 and 1N4148 should be ok to use (can try others too, if you don't have these)


Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site:
  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc
"To do is to be" ---  Descartes;
"To be is to do"  ---  Jean Paul Sarte;
"Do be do be do" ---  F. Sinatra

alan

horsepower = watt = energy / second. Tesla is not talking about overunity but about increasing power by decreasing discharge time. When this time decreases and energy stays the same, power increases (P = E / s).

allcanadian

@alan
Quotehorsepower = watt = energy / second. Tesla is not talking about overunity but about increasing power by decreasing discharge time. When this time decreases and energy stays the same, power increases (P = E / s).
Yes the energy is the same, however the properties and qualities of the current discharged in 1/10000th of a second versus 1 second cannot be compared. Nor can the effects produced be compared, a near instantaneous discharge produces electrostatic fields while a slow discharge produces heat. One discharge can utilize electrical inertia to its advantage in an inductance while the other produces heat. When you understand this you will understand that nul-points has just touched the tip of an iceberg and at this rate he may just see the rest of it.
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