Feynman makes a Bedini Motor

[tinu]

Welcome Dave.
Sometimes dogma prevails here. Good posts, good points. For those who didn?t get it yet, Bedini is just another too long-living scam. Letting it posted is enough. Arguing doesn?t help. Wasting time and money is something you almost need to show for ?the religion?. Been there, done that. It?s simply stupid. Hang around; you?re welcome!

Cheers,
Tinu

[UncleFester]

Welcome Dave.
Sometimes dogma prevails here. Good posts, good points. For those who didn?t get it yet, Bedini is just another too long-living scam. Letting it posted is enough. Arguing doesn?t help. Wasting time and money is something you almost need to show for ?the religion?. Been there, done that. It?s simply stupid. Hang around; you?re welcome!

Cheers,
Tinu

How is this a scam? Lol, it recovers batteries very well. Are you saying it's a scam because of the claims of overunity or what? Have you built a unit and seen how it recovers old batteries? I don't get your point......

[PMM Dave]

Yes, this does recover dead batteries to an extent. It does this by applying a pulsed high current to the plates, thus causing some of the lead sulphate to be removed. So a battery with diminished capacity will have an improved capacity after such a treatment, as has been known for many decades. (Albeit not as great as a new battery, since some material is lost from the plates).

But that is not the claim of the Bedini machine. It does not claim to rejuvenate batteries. It claims to provide free energy. (This is why it appears on the free energy forum, of course).

Some individuals have invested money in the technology based on the claims of free energy, believing that a new energy source has sales potential while not realising that perpetual motion machines of the first kind (which this closely resembles) are impossible.

So we have two elements:-
1) A fraudulent claim of energy production from nowhere. (Nobody has ever demonstrated this, have they?)
2) The separation of cash from investors based upon these claims.

This is my point, and this is why I call it a scam.

I freely admit that defective lead acid batteries can be rejuvenated today in the exact same way that they could 50 years ago. But that really has little to do with the topic under discussion.

Dave

[Groundloop]

@PMM Dave,

You are not correct by saying "applying a pulsed high current to the plates, thus causing some of the lead sulphate to be removed".

The method used is applying a pulsed high VOLTAGE to the plates, thus causing ALL of the lead sulphate to convert back to lead. In this process the battery does NOT heat up and NO material is falling out of the plates.
There is also a low current present that charge the battery but well below the C20 rating of the battery. This is way you can both desulfate and charge the battery at the same time without any heating in the battery.

Can you provide information on how they did it 50 years ago?

Groundloop.

[UncleFester]

Yes, this does recover dead batteries to an extent. It does this by applying a pulsed high current to the plates, thus causing some of the lead sulphate to be removed. So a battery with diminished capacity will have an improved capacity after such a treatment, as has been known for many decades. (Albeit not as great as a new battery, since some material is lost from the plates).

But that is not the claim of the Bedini machine. It does not claim to rejuvenate batteries. It claims to provide free energy. (This is why it appears on the free energy forum, of course).

Some individuals have invested money in the technology based on the claims of free energy, believing that a new energy source has sales potential while not realising that perpetual motion machines of the first kind (which this closely resembles) are impossible.

So we have two elements:-
1) A fraudulent claim of energy production from nowhere. (Nobody has ever demonstrated this, have they?)
2) The separation of cash from investors based upon these claims.

This is my point, and this is why I call it a scam.

I freely admit that defective lead acid batteries can be rejuvenated today in the exact same way that they could 50 years ago. But that really has little to do with the topic under discussion.

Dave

I know of only a very small percentage of the population that actually knows that a battery can be restored to new or close by de-sulfation. So the 50 year thing is known by maybe 1/10 of 1 percent of the global population...... I was not aware of this until a few years ago. Now that we are totally off grid this information is extremely important to us, and I thank Bedini and others for showing me how to do this.

Second. I have seen youtube videos of people charging two batteries via the bedini system wherein both batteries end up with higher energy than they started with. Maybe this is the proof to the claim you so vehemently protest?

Third, I am not sure if you are aware or not but this forum is under the name "OVERUNITY.COM". If you don't want to hear about or participate in experimentation along the lines of the title of this forum then it probably is not for you. In fact I know it's not for you. Most of us here are hands-on experimentors. What we do with our time and money is our own goddamn business. Adding distraction to our efforts by telling us something cannot be done just pisses people off in general because we don't give a damn what others think and don't want to skim through five miles of garbage like has been posted in the "scam" posts. On top of that most of us are very well trained in electronics, general science and have studied many of these devices for decades. So most of the time what you are trying to tell us has already been heard for many years.