Roll on the 20th June

[CLaNZeR]

I have been sitting here with the fan and weight for a few minutes and decided to give that a try previous to my 1st post.. do you mean at the point it reaches 6-7o'clock gently rotate the device so that in theory it gives it an easier ride to fly over the top?

Well I tried and it succedes going back to the start ... however it would need to be on some kind of track system so that it flys back to the beginning once the weight reaches the top... and there is probably extra momentom in my arms trying to achieve this... so it doesnt really prove anything for me... so i too think thats one possibility if im right in saying thats what you mean sean.

Has anyone suggested using WATER? as a weight... and what it could achieve in this kind of system?

Hi SolidCore

If you have a wheel with 12 arms that are all balanced and the arms are on sliders, then by moving the arm at 1 O'Clock outwards you create a in-balance and enough torque to bring the wheel down to 6-7 O'Clock.

There are many ways of doing this, but the issue is that you have to reset the arm at 6-7 O'Clock and also pull the arm out at 1 O'Clock to get it to do the next cycle.

This all takes energy and the main question is whether you can produce enough energy from the 180 degree rotation of the wheel after this in-balance has taken place to reset both points. If you can then you have the secret key that Archer claims to have.

For example you could place buckets on each arm and drip feed water into the 1 O'Clock bucket. Eventually there will be enough water to in-balance the wheel and it will rotate downwards, emptying the water on the way, that then removes the inbalance. But for the next arm at 1 O'Clock you need to have enough energy to re-fill the bucket. Can the motion of the falling wheel create enough energy in that 180 degree drop to pump enough water back to the top?

Cheers

Sean.

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

[CLaNZeR]

Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

Hi Graham

Good thought mate, but it would take friction and energy to make these adjustments. Unless we are using gravity to create that energy?.

umm you got me thinking now

Cheers

Sean.

[CLaNZeR]

Just noticed that the needles on my Avatar ICON show 1 and 7 O'Clock, that is spooky hehe

[oak]

Hi All
I was wondering if his changing the plan of the rotation to keep the rotor moving, for instance if you let a rotorarm with a weight on it drop from 1 and as its dropping you change the plan of your system to horizontal the rotorarm will spin around two time but if you bring it back to vertical at the right time then your wieghted rotorarm will be at 1 again ready to start the process again.
In other words going from vertical to horizontal and back againn keeps the rotation going, I maybe wrong but this is how I can see you would follow the curve.
Take Care All
Graham

Hi Graham

Good thought mate, but it would take friction and energy to make these adjustments. Unless we are using gravity to create that energy?.

umm you got me thinking now

Cheers

Sean.

I can't imagine how this could work.  It would seem to require much more energy to change the plane of rotation of the device than to move a small weight (relative to the entire mass of the flywheel) from one location to the opposite location.

Archer did suggest, or at least strongly hint, that the weight being moved from one location to another is small compared to the overall weight of the total rotating mass.  It is the relatively large momentum of the rotating mass that supposedly allows you to do that (however it is you do it!).