Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

DARK STAR so know work in fluids this is what Archer is doing   He'll be back on tuesday
@HELMUT hows the homework doing  Chet

[MrKai]

More likely he's on the pay-roll!  Check Legendre's stats also - prior to Archer, his last post here was back in 2006 - he's obviously been 'called-up' as well...

Do you...really believe that?

ive been talking about it ages ago,they are here to confuse

you must be really naive to think that oil people wont have their guys here, especially here

Really?!

All jokes aside...you really think that someone, anyone, that simply says "that can't work the way it is described, because..."

...and then demonstrates what the issue is...this is a conspiracy...of confusion?!

Really?!?!

If you really believe, can you explain...why you believe this to be the case?

[sm0ky2]

@ Purepower

  I'm having trouble with sometihng, perhaps your experience can shed some light on this....

The 3kg control rods...  pushed "in" they are part of the mass of the short end, and are lifted with it, when the lever becomes imbalanced.  Now - how would i describe the energy of extending those control rods to offset the balance with respect to the energy of a single system cycle?

perhaps  E =  3kg (9.8m/s/s) ( say... 3 inches verticle displacement?) * (# of rods)

vs

    the energy of the entire massive lever moving several meters as a result of this tiny imbalance
   
It HAS to balance out, but i must be missing something here....... because one appears to be many times larger than the other?

[DarkStar_DS9]

DARK STAR so know work in fluids this is what Archer is doing   He'll be back on tuesday

I've been tossing around some fluid-based stuff too, but I think the main reasons Archer considered them where

a) if you have a tank below your beam, it doesn't matter where you put in the water - it will be almost instantly available at every point - no need to move anything horizontally

b) fluids are easily split up and will re-join (e.g. if you drop 10 liters into the tank on one side, you can take out 3 liters on the other side. If you drop the 3 liters back, you can take out 10 again and so on)

c) the fluid-surface will always be level (except for where it touches the tank, but I don't think this is an issue) no matter what the container looks like or how far it is tilted

But all ideas I came up with that might be an advantage at one point in the cycle turned out to be a problem at another point (what a nice equilibrium). Pity.

Regards,

Rainer

[MrKai]

Pure Power -

At least your posts (appear) well constructed.  Hard to say already - the shear volume of them makes it difficult to do more than skim through them.

So nice of you to show up in the 9th inning and take charge and save us from ourselves! (sarcasm)

You profess your interest is the wheel.  Yet you post page after page.....after page about the 'lever'
We get it!  You don't think it will work (like most) and show why.  Enough already.  Why not talk about the wheel for a change?
Or better yet - not talk at all for a few minutes!!

You have turned this thread into the Pure Power sideshow.  Almost makes this thread unreadable.  Maybe that's the reason you got booted out of the other group?  And maybe that's your goal to begin with? (probably not - but maybe try skipping posting 50% of your 'genius')

Have a nice day!  And no reply is required!   

Then allow me to reply.

I honestly do NOT get you guys. Really.

As I said before, I happened upon all of this via a post on engadget ages ago, so it is a bit of a new experience to me.

Basically, it seems like the vast majority of the complaining here is because people will not accept things will work based on blanket claims.

I don't think this is fair, or even conducive to what you all claim to be trying to achieve.

I mean, do you seriously think it is better and more...helpful..to not say:

"Hey...the way that is configured, that won't do what you think it will, because of X."

...and instead say "ALRIGHT!!! We're just minutes away from victory!!!"...

...even tho it is nowhere in sight?

I mean, it seems to me like you people HAVE to have been jerked around in the past by false promises, half-baked ideas, scams and schemes or sociopaths offering the answer if you kiss their ring, and then take their toys and go home if you don't suck enough dick.

I know this, because I'm in the software biz...and I've seen vaporware get fanboys into a tizzy real quick.

Personally, I would think you would welcome some folks that have a bit more insight into why energy works the way it does so that they may help you exploit things like this.

Now about the wheel and lever:

My honest opinion is that Archer is making this way more dramatic than it needs to be with all of this piecemeal shit. He obviously has more to add, and a greater/grander scheme, and instead of just putting it out there, or shutting up until he can, he insights an *emotional response* that seems to overtake the methodical thinking skills of many of you.

I do NOT believe PurePower is insincere. I believe Legendare OTOH, well, basically just became offended and "went off"...because a lot of this *IS* offensive to thinking persons....and not the bad math of the hateration...but the sheer willingness of you people to unplug your common sense circuitry for a dream.

I mean seriously, i hope in hell Archer or SOMEBODY comes up with SOMETHING because I have a huge ass space in my house for a mini power factory.

*I* just don't believe I'm going to get it by NOT separating the wheat from the chaff.

I also, sincerely believe this fool Archer may have worked out a way to have his lever reset...and if he has, if or not it shatters newton (why he is obsessed with THAT I cannot imagine) is pointless. No one gives a shit...what I give a shit about is a machine that can power at least 1/3 of the shit in my crib so i can tell the power company to SUCK IT HARD.

Anyone that thinks I am about anything else is a moron. Period.

Anyone that doesn't understand my skepticism, or mis-interprets it as sabotage, is a fool.

If Archer continues to make wacky claims about busting newtonian Physics (AND BTW...do NOT BE MISLED. There is NOTHING in Newtonian Physics...NOTHING...that states that FE is not possible. This is a strawman. What they do say is what the observed properties of things are and what has to be solved before that goal (FE) can be obtained) you had better believe that people that *know* this subject will be like "hang on a tick."

I do not believe Archer really understands what he is trying to tear down. This in no way means he cannot have come across a solution.

I do not understand why you guys cannot resolve this in your minds, that based on what *Archer* is saying and showing in *his own videos and drawings* mixed in with his rants about physics...THAT is what is being scrutinized.

Some say "well let him finish!" and there is SOME merit to this...however conversely, there is certainly merit is questioning what has been seen considering the whole "I'm Archer, and I'm here to kick your ASS!!!!" tone that he set in the first place.

PurePower has a beef with archer...but you know what?

HE STARTED OFF AS A PROPONENT...and stated so clearly. My understanding is that once Archer started throwing around bad math, then getting *nasty about the guidance* that it turned ugly.

I can't tell purepower to relax; he's made up his own mind based on his own experiences.

I will say this tho: what happened to the wheel? Was it abandoned because it was shown that it just would not work? is this lever thing in its final glory supposed to be better somehow? Who IS that masked man?

All of these are legit questions and Archer's not answering...so folks are left to ther own devices to work it out.

Like I said before, you can call people all the names in the world, but Archer Quinn started us down this path, with a bold statement, a plan, a roadmap and a promise that he looks to have retconned off the internet.

I still have a copy of the original site. I know what he said, and what he's doing now is NOT that thing.

Make of that what you will.

-K