Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Rusty .. correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I remembered you recently saying that you believed your tri-gate "added momentum" across a flat surface ?!?

If it cannot, then the attract force will be the same or nearly the same [allowing for flux field shapes] as the repulse force i.e. adds momentum then robs momentum by the same amount [no allowance made for rolling frictional losses etc] - this is important to establish via a simple experiment as proposed, otherwise the tri-gate would appear to be in a similar class to the smot devices & gauss guns which have trouble resetting ?!?

JMO's.

Evg .. thanks for the sentiment but the very first wheel I ever built to experiment with 10 years ago was a mag-grav wheel almost exactly the same as quinn's - I learnt a lot from that & a lot about the conservative nature of both gravity & magnets so unless I can see a simple proof of concept [POP] experiment I am very reluctant to go over old ground [no offence or slight intended to anybody].

Hi fletcher
The Trigate adds momentum, experiments have been done to show this and its not like a smot it will attract in and kick out with out the help of gravity, the smot will not release with out the help of gravity so the smot is a runner not a gate.
Experiments that have been done and can been seen on the net are an arm with a roller magnet swings from 3 with out a trigate to around 8 or 8:30 then with the trigate to about 9:30 thats a gain, also a roller has been let go down a ramp and marked where it stops, then the Trigate is added and the roller leaves again from the same spot, it always ended further along past the mark made with out the Trigate again a gain.
You can look up those videos, they were on this forum in the thread about the Trigate or they are somewhere on the net.
Take Care fletcher
Graham

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I just wanted to say the Trigate in some systems isn't perfect and you can get push away comming in with some setup, some may say its not a gate because of this but if they look at the video I showed showing most of the experiments I did(this video was not put together by me) they will see 3 or 4 experiments I did with shields that stopped the repel in and one experiment where I hold the Trigates above the roller and move it towards the roller, now if I used an attract magnet it would have pulled the roller in but it would not have kicked it out, if I used repeling magnet they would never reach the Trigate because they would keep moving away from it as it comes towards them but what happens in this experiment because I am using Trigates there is no movement of the roller until the Trigates are close to it then it attracts into the Trigates and kicks away in the opposite direction to the direction I am moving the Trigates.
This experiment alone shows the Trigate gate is just that a gate when setup right, go back and take a look its the experiment when I pick the Trigates up and move them over the roller magnet.
Take Care All
Graham

[fletcher]

From what you say rusty that should be very encouraging for any researcher wanting to make an OU device from magnets & gravity - it should then be relatively easy to close the loop so to speak ?!?

Below is a quick sketch of what I think you are proposing - if the ball gets to 9-30 o'cl then you should be able to get it to roll downhill across the ramp to the start position at 3 o'cl to repeat the process.

The advantage of using a weight on a wheel at a fixed radius [where the whole wheel turns] is that once it got over the top [12 o'cl] then there would always be accumulated momentum in the wheel & a device or braking mech would have to be added to 'bleed off' excess energy from the system & that could be used to do external work - alternatively, you could have your weight pass thru a coil which creates a low voltage & some back emf [resistance] so that the weight just got to above 9 o'cl each half rotation ?!?

N.B. gauss guns etc look promising - it should be possible to send the ball up a curved slope & bring it back to the beginning to repeat the cycle - from my understanding they never quite reach enough height [PE] to break free of the flux field & get attracted [via the shortest route] & trapped trying to make it back - but I could be wrong ? - makes you wonder if you couldn't use a horizontal loop track that took the ball well past the flux field & then came in back toward the throat & make it achieve OU that way ?!? - perhaps someone has tried that & it can't actually escape the flux field afterall [never experimented with it myself] ?!?

[Rusty_Springs]

From what you say rusty that should be very encouraging for any researcher wanting to make an OU device from magnets & gravity - it should then be relatively easy to close the loop so to speak ?!?

Below is a quick sketch of what I think you are proposing - if the ball gets to 9-30 o'cl then you should be able to get it to roll downhill across the ramp to the start position at 3 o'cl to repeat the process.

The advantage of using a weight on a wheel at a fixed radius [where the whole wheel turns] is that once it got over the top [12 o'cl] then there would always be accumulated momentum in the wheel & a device or braking mech would have to be added to 'bleed off' excess energy from the system & that could be used to do external work - alternatively, you could have your weight pass thru a coil which creates a low voltage & some back emf [resistance] so that the weight just got to above 9 o'cl each half rotation ?!?

N.B. gauss guns etc look promising - it should be possible to send the ball up a curved slope & bring it back to the beginning to repeat the cycle - from my understanding they never quite reach enough height [PE] to break free of the flux field & get attracted [via the shortest route] & trapped trying to make it back - but I could be wrong ? - makes you wonder if you couldn't use a horizontal loop track that took the ball well past the flux field & then came in back toward the throat & make it achieve OU that way ?!?

Hi fletcher
Yes that could be possible, the gate only needs to get it just pass 9 every time and that would work gravity will do the rest.
Good idea fletcher it maybe worth trying.
Take Care fletcher
Graham

PS: when your roller reaches the 9 o'clock position you could even help gravity by putting more Trigates to move it from 9 to 3, this may incease the speed of the system.

[LarryC]

@All testers,

Just more actual testing, no drawings or simulation. Just using 1/16 X 1/2" X 1/4" neo magnets and a K'Nex set.

The first picture (Repulsion and attraction) shows that the test rod has moved 12MM with single repulsion and attraction magnets. It would move 24MM but it is blocked by stops.

The upper single magnet along can not lift the test rod as all, so I tried to determine how many it would take.
The second picture shows the same test rod with 13 neo's trying to pull up that same rod at the same distance as in the first case. Note that Neo's stack together increase their pull ability almost proportional until you reach around 1" thickness. With 13 neo's it is getting close to pulling the test rod up, but I ran out of space for the test. Just think of the wall you would have if it pulled it up!

The third picture shows that the lower single magnet along is only able to lift the rod 4 MM. The lower magnet is under the plastic orange piece taped to the bottom area.

These are all real results from simple testing that anyone can cheaply reproduce.

Testers, please keep in mind that professional spooks and skeptics try to lead the actual testers astray by presenting what seems to be viable alternatives, but have not worked in the past. Please don't fall for their deceptions.

Regards, Larry