Roll on the 20th June

[dirt diggler]

Dude, again, almost there.

But if you change "you" to "a car" and give it the same parameters of trying to go straight up a wall vs. using a (switchback) ramp (actually covering more distance) which way do you think the car will ever achieve the top of the wall, let alone use less energy.

I'd rather hit a ramp in a moving car than a wall.

My take on the process.

Exactly Excom. 
it's not necessarily the energy consumed, but whether the "work" is even possible.

[The Eskimo Quinn]

the first video is the train shunt, i already showed that on the site, they can all go to around just under 45 degrees but cannot go vertical.

the second is quite good, but you miss a tiny detail that is not noticed he starts it on the rod inside a wall it cannot self start because it is a steel ball, he was smart enough to see what the train guys missed and that was to avoid the poles, he was just not smart enough to know that the traveller must have its own power as shown in the disk array, the second is as close to this as you can get only lacking the magnets.

(should explain that when you dont have the rods repelling side by side, magnets act like batteries north to south, they simply become one field even though they are not connected the fields connect, it might as well have been one large neo, it is a single lift. I should also so add that single lifts or north south arrays wont loop because they cannot join in a circle becuase they are north south hence it will stop at the join point, if you successfully join them your poles change, they call this a disk or a ring magnet, where the poles switch to each side or the inside and outside of the ring)

my fav part is the trick on the first one, using the protactor to make it look greater than 45 degrees, problem is it starts twice the length from the centre of the protactor so the angle is exactly half what you read. Just a normal train shunt. well built and not so rattling as most but still a normal train shunt that cannot go vertical or they would have shown it or at least past 45 degrees.

PS just did the ball test, the ball in the video is magnetic, not a straight steel ball, i thought the 3 inches looked a little long for a single magnetic field of any strength magnet to pull a steel ball so he was even closer than he realised, only problem with spheres is the poles are inside and out so it cann never use the field for jumping or climbing. for those new to magnets you also cannot angle magnets like he did on the disk as you compress one end of the field between them.i think 2 degrees is as high as ive seen

[purepower]

actually you do not fucking read either, you are quoting a fucking vertical climb the same height as the wheel, i will say it for a third fucking time, a vertical climb the height of the length of half the circumfrence.(thats higher than the height of the wheel when you straighten out that line ) in fucking engish and crayon that means the vertical climb is higher than the fucking circle.

start reading what i write

Its not that I don't read, its that you don't understand. So I will explain it for the third fucking time...

The total "path" on the circle is greater, but only because it includes a horizontal component. But guess what? The horizontal component of travel requires no additional energy because it is not against the force of gravity! It does not require any energy to move when you are not moving against a force, get it?

All that matters is total distance traveled in the direction of a force. Gravity is a vertical force, therefor the only distance that matters is vertical height! The horizontal components mean absolutly nothing (in terms of energy, niglecting friction) because you are not working against a force!

All that matters is start and finish. Path is completly irrelevant when dealing with energy potentials.

@Exx

That example is almost as bad as my two magnet demo. But to answer the question, it would depend on the POWER output of the car. If it has enough horsePOWER, it would climb vertically (assuming the tires stick).

But that's not really what we are debating here, were debating energy. In either case, the same amount of fuel (energy) would be used! The vertical climb would burn it fast, the slope climb would sip it on the way up, but the total remains the same.
(EDIT: just added additional values for better understanding)

Proof for ALL: get a 1lb weight, pulley, and ramp. Using the pulley, pull down on a string to lift the weight 12" up vertically. Force=1lb, distance=12", energy= 1 ft*lb. Now do the same, but pull the weight up a 30degree ramp a height of 12". It will require half force to pull, but will require you to pull twice as far. The two changes are directly proportional to each other, indicating the total energy used has remained exactly the same! (demo neglects friction on ramp and pulley)

Anymore "touchy feely" pseudo-scientific armchair observations anyone would like to have analyzed?

-PurePower

[TorpedoZee]

Purepower,

Sorry, I don't get what you are saying. I am 100% new to all this overunity stuff, and I have no background in any of the hard sciences. So if I am oversimplifying things here, I am sure you'll let me know.

I watched AQ's magnet videos. I just saw a weight roll up hill from a dead stop. I haven't seen that before in my life.

What don't I get? OK so is he on the wrong thread maybe? What's your beef?

Call me stupid, but I think it is remarkable.

TorpedoZee

[Newtonian God]

Hi Archer,
    Just watched your last video,  and you kept saying its never been done before, so I thought I would have a quick scout around on pooptube and here are some links for you to look at there are plenty more but thought you might like these 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMoIExJEaBU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0RZk3Q1vdk

TorpedoZee, if you are impressed with Archer's latest video then watch these two.

Wow, that ball shoots straight up (completely vertical) as if it was being shot from a gun.    Now this is a guy knows how to create and video tape a demo. Hopefully Archer will learn something from watching it.

Thanks for the links gwhy.