Roll on the 20th June

[ramset]

DUSTY  the BOSS said build the arms 1st with the cantilevered arms and weights on there    then play with the mags  the added weight to your build now is going to muc up  everything IMO     BTW I like the rod idea   Chet

[sigmaX]

Quinn,

Something is wrong.

Did you read, in this site's forum, about the apparent 12 to 1 overunity fulcrum machine that a russian guy designed ? it is said in his forum, that there is overunity, since a year ago or more.

now why do I mention the 12 to 1 overnothing fulcrum ? it sounds quite like your new example in your site, but only that this guy did do it, and looking it from a certain angle, it even looks more elegant. He uses a pendulum movement, to create the fulcrums action, and states that the pendulum movement takes far less energy because it is applied on the horizontal plane, than the energy that the fulcrum got on the other side.

Now listen this: NO ONE could attach any kind of electrical, hydraulic or whatever contraption yet, to create the necessary motion in the "easy side" to create the said 12 to 1 overunity power. The guy is full of videos, and he (and followers) stubborny declare that the system is overunity.

But again: Somehow, everyone fails to close the gap and make it self sufficient. Not to even start to talk abotu 12 to 1 energy / overunity.

The main idea of the russian guy: That his invention is the ideal machine for lazy young people: They can be put in a chair, and with one foott they could propel the pendulum, and on the other side, an electrical generator could be attached, creating lots of electrical power.

Holy shit. He even draws pictures of youngsters in the chair, with (if I correctly recall) a grass rooth in their mouth, iddly contemplating some view WHILE THEY MOVE THE PENDULUM WITH their feets.

I am waiting to see if you will go into ethnic,  gender or age choice, to pick the guys (or gals) that will be needed to turn the wheel (or lift the weights 8 meters). If you ask me, you should go for girls, obviously with miniskirts, as the work promises lots of bending / stair climbing. It might make a nice picture for demonstration purposes.

Now for real:  I could NOT completely understand your fulcrum example, recently posted. I am at loss, since my native language is spanish, and although I can manage on writen english, I lack some  technical / mechanical meanings you use. If you are not providing drawings (not a line, but real drawings, considering the whole system, etc.) it is very difficult to follow you.

On top of that, you go and mix numbers and garble ideas (for me at least) as you start saying things like:

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We are going to add a slight friction point over and above the lift itself at the short end. We will balance the ten kilo weight so that a slight 45 degree angle plate near the top of the rise of the short end section this plate pushes the balancing 10 kilo weight off the fulcrum altogether, thus we now have 10 kgs free falling at a cost of 1.2 kgs lift to fall.

sigmax note: Yep, so now you got a 1.2kg on the floor, and 10kg going down.

HMMM now that seems strange doesn?t it? If the cost is smaller than the gain we would have overunity??? That can?t be right can it?

sigmax note: I dont get the strange concept. On the contrary, the picture is quite clear.

The 1.2kgs must be lifted to the top of the 8 metre start point on the extended end and we must pay that price somewhere. That price is 8 x 1.2 or 9.6 kilos of lift

sigmax note: to get the 1.2kgs up again, you will need to attach on the short side of the lever, a weight IN EXCESS of 10 kg (let?s call this the second stage of your system). With the 10kg going down, I cannot see what system you can device that will be able to do a work that will provide this second stage with the required specifics. Common sense (not only Neweton) states for me that a 10kg going down, will not create an excess of 10 kg going up, for the same distance that it falls. hence, a second fulcrum will not do, because at most you will be able to get the 1.2kg  a shorter distance back up than required.

So back to basics again and the math we agree is correct. 10 kilos falling 2 meters is equal to 1 kilos lifted ummmm?? 20 metres !!!!!! less variables

sigmax note: your above lever / fulcrum with the 10 kg in the short side and 1.2 / 1 kilos on the large side, was 8 meters height on the large side, not 20 meters!.

9) Do we agree that 20 kilos x 1 meters of lift will cover 9.6 kilo x  1 meters of lift??

sigmax note: again the 9,6 kg. What do you mean by "cover" ? that 20 kilos going down 1 meter will get a 9,6 kilo up, the same distance ? you bet it does. Nothing new on the sun.

if you answered yes at this point you have agreed that we have overunity and that it does exist.

sigmax note: I have no idea! Where do I look for it ? you mean like the 10kg that we threw from 2 meters up, detached from the fulcrum, is somehow connected to a system that uses such force to get the 1.2 kg up (still attached to the fulcrum), so the small section goes down again, and when it hits bottom, it somehow reataches to the fulcrum, repeating the process ? I would like to see such sytem. It should detach and reatach itself at several places. the system would mean two levers with different fulcrum points, etc. But I think that the trick would be not to get the weights themselves up or down, but to reset the rest of the system (move back the levers to repeat the operation).

How was this missed? Separation of mechanics, simply put no one ever pushed the weight off the fulcrum once in the air.


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You lost me ... due to language barriers or because it is really incoherent, or your clues are quite difficult to catch.

Quinn, PLEASE, do some baby talking for me and explain in common layman terms, what exactly is it you want to explain in your last example.

I already lost 2 hours with pencil, paper, trying to get the idea and it fails to get clear for me. Frankly, the only result is that your system will not work, because you cannot have overunity (with this lever example).

[The Eskimo Quinn]

I guess he can always weld the sections onto the rod with a TIG or MIG, the problem with be roll, the rods will try to roll on their sides now. But it looks easy enough to change, he has everything, he only need to measure the rod sections and go to flat or thin box sections.or weld short flats to the sides, and put guides in to stop the roll.

Some bastard just put some photos on the website, I don't get it, how could that be?? (seeing as i am all talk and not really building anything right?)

[CLaNZeR]

Some bastard just put some photos on the website, I don't get it, how could that be?? (seeing as i am all talk and not really building anything right?)

Someone must of hacked your site mate, do not worry about it, go back and have another beer 
No one would be mad enough to build a Fulcrum that big  , defo not you

[oiltycoon]