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Overunity Machines Forum



Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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greendoor

From what I can see - this is a very long, springy unbalanced beam.  There is a 20L drum of water on the short end, and a 2L bottle on the long end.  This isn't a case of 2L fall lifting 20L.  The weight of the beam on the long end obviously contributes a lot to the unbalanced state.  I see quite an upward curve on the beam before the bottle is dropped.  With that much leverage, it is very easy for the operator standing on the toilet to apply a massive upward force - preloading the beam.  This is basically a bow & arrow situation (Archer indeed).  So I don't believe the bottle is being dropped - I believe it is being propelled towards the ground with a lot of spring tension, and the greater weight of the beam itself. 

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dirt diggler

Looking really good Archer, her I thought we wouldn't see anything till your birthday, instead we see it on mine ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, really, I love beating my head against this wall.......

MrKai

Quote from: greendoor on June 05, 2008, 09:08:58 AM
From what I can see - this is a very long, springy unbalanced beam.  There is a 20L drum of water on the short end, and a 2L bottle on the long end.  This isn't a case of 2L fall lifting 20L.  The weight of the beam on the long end obviously contributes a lot to the unbalanced state.  I see quite an upward curve on the beam before the bottle is dropped.  With that much leverage, it is very easy for the operator standing on the toilet to apply a massive upward force - preloading the beam.  This is basically a bow & arrow situation (Archer indeed).  So I don't believe the bottle is being dropped - I believe it is being propelled towards the ground with a lot of spring tension, and the greater weight of the beam itself. 

Newton 1
Monkey Man 0
 

Really. Interesting. OK, so the drum on the short end weighing it down and keeping the long end suspended...thats...not...happening? I mean, even still keeping a level of skepticism here, etc, but I mean it kind of is what it is , dude, and there was no pushing. He let it go. It fell and um, heh, came back up.

Now there could be a trick in there somewhere, but it is looking preeeeeety transparent.

Today is going to be an interesting one, methinks, especially if he puts up a video of the thing cycling up and down until it gets boring :)

Also, I would like to say that, ok, fine, assuming this doesn't "break any laws of physics"...which ones are at work here? No, its not rhetorical...I don't actually know and am trying to get my learn on :)

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ramset

G  wrong  2 litre bottle half full if your eye's dont work use your ears  he narates rather nicely  now I understand what he means falling weight    and if I didn't get that part[completely do now]  I will say the rest is sure to follow THANKS ARCHER  Chet
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Gustav22

Referring to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallelogram_of_force

This explains the principle, that 2 forces acting on the same point, can be summed up to 1 force, which they call Fnet.

Obviously if you have a given - in our or rather Archer's case, the force of gravity - you can divide this Fnet into two forces (F1 + F2), applying the stated principle in reverse. The sum of these two forces (F1 + F2) amounts to a bigger number than the given (Fnet).

I think Archer splits the weight force of the bottle into F1 and F2 and transfers these two forces (mechanically) to the short (heavy) end. There he again employs mechanical means to ad their amounts (note: the amounts, not the vectors) to lift up the 20kg can.

Pythagoras was an Archurian.

edit: might want to check out some of the photos our cherished moderator posted here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4540.msg101531.html#msg101531

edit2: Want to add that I am stunned, and would not have found this idea on my own.
And that I am happy.
Thanks AQ
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