Roll on the 20th June

[mscoffman]

Three questions for you Sm0ky, if you don't mind;

1) Are your magnets Neodymium material?
   a) Yes,  b) No

2) Is the lower arm, magnetic array purely repulsive poles to the
rotor magnets?
    a) Yes,  b) No - a magnetic gate

3) What type of metal plate backs up the lower magnet array?
    a) Aluminum,  b) Ferrous metal ie. Steel

:S:MarkSCoffman

[infringer]

3 hour claim is rather interesting I would love to see it ... At any rate a device running such a length of time has a COE greater than 1 or equal to... Finally I dunno weather we would consider this a magnetic motor or a gravity motor I'm leaning more to gravity with a magnetic assist...

I do have one favor to ask of you smoky2 could you go out and buy a nice level and see if your machine is leaning forward or backwards or if it is perfectly level... I think this may be another critical thing we overlook as well if one of these could be built where everything could be adjustable and lock firmly and securely in place we may be able to find a working design if there is one.

So for instance the stand would have to allow for tilting back or forward to put the wheel on an angle and the repulsion mags on bottom or magnets wherever they may be would need to allow for some adjustment...

Archer Quinn have you ever thought of using the VGate and a lever to lift the stator (Stationary magnet) up when the rotor (Rotating magnets) hits the gate here I believe that maybe your lever and fulcrum talks may prove useful for making a wheel who knows if you show up and give a stab at it it may be roll on July 20th thread...

Anyhow good luck folks enjoy

[exxcomm0n]

@ smoky

Congratulations! I look forward to your video.

Glad to see that the bearing assem. is working for you.

[sm0ky2]

1)  I dunno weather we would consider this a magnetic motor or a gravity motor I'm leaning more to gravity with a magnetic assist...

2) see if your machine is leaning forward or backwards or if it is perfectly level...

@ infringer

1)  my vote would be "magneto-gravitic"

2) it all kind depends on various factors. my machine is build out of junk and scrap parts, so its not "stable" by any means. sometimes the main bearing tilts forwards from the heavy front weight, and i have to straighten it out, and tighten it back up.
while it may or may not stop the device, depending on how fine tuned the magnets are, tilting it forward definately has an adverse effect.  i haven't tilted it backwards (face up) my mount simply wont go in that direction. all the weight pulls forward on it.


as far as a working design, the simplest design that was outlined at the begining of this thread is what mine is based off of. but like i mentioned recently, from experience: exact dimensions and framework of this device aren't very important. its entirely based on the interaction between the magnetic field and the mass it is lifting.

there may be a much simpler way to demonstrate this than a spinning wheel, i haven't given much attention in that direction.

the wheel model works, that's why im sticking with that.
i was skeptical at first, but ive been here through the whole thread, and all the redicilous nonsense that it has endured.
And since Clanzer didnt jump on it, i figured i would give it a try.
took me a while to understand it, because i was looking at it from a mechanical perspective. once i understood that gravity is the same around the wheel, i began looking at the problem differently.

i had gone through all my magnets, in various combinations and had gotten nowhere. began playing with the mass, and adjusting things.
first the lower array, entry angle, exit force, ect.
then the upper, for lift-assist.
threw distance from the wheel into the equation and tic, tic, tic, tic, off it went. i though for sure i had just pushed it too hard and made it spin like that. wasn't until 3-4 days later when i got a really good run of a few minutes.  and ive spent hundreds of hours playing with it, here and there. sometimes through the night, then i let it sit for a couple weeks. piddle with it for a few minutes, get mad and leave it alone. its interesting, and i want to get it working so i can show you guys.  im still unsure about its "usefulness" though.
im starting to realize why archer built his to fricken huge....

its basically a "toy" at the size im dealing with.

but to bring everyone up to speed, so you can have your own toy, and perhaps take ths to the next level...

i'll post some more about building it.

[sm0ky2]

ive changed my design several times, finally deciding to mount the outer magnets directly to the wheel-stand out of necessity. but it works with them on their own mounts as well.

at least two of us have gotten it working using completely different set-ups, as far as slider-mechanisms, magnet shapes and sizes, ect.

its all about the balance between lift and fall. under most circumstances gravity has the advantage. under one circumstance - both forces are balanced, and a strange levitation thing occurs.
and in some circumstances the magnetic force is greater that the gravitational force - which is the situation we desire for this machine.   

Entry angle, is of course a major factor - but thats the easiest one to overcome. having the proper arc is very important. ridges in the field can act as secondary sticky-spots, and can actually hang the arm at the 45-degree mark if the arc is too imperfect.

the upper magnets should be either weaker, or further away than the lower (lifting) magnets, their purpose is to assist in offsetting the gravitational force, but not so much that they can lift the arms on their own, which would prevent rotation.

the rest of the physicalities of the machine are still in R&D. better ways to mount a front-heavy wheel? while i must say that these bearings that Exxcomm0n invented are the best thing ive found in my 2 years of playing with this,...  there may be room for improvement there as well.  theres certainly some flaws in the way i alligned the arm-magnets on the same plane. the front-most arm twists and is harder to move than the other two.

we're far from standardizing this thing to say the least.
i would start with the original design, get you some magnets,
sit down and think about the way it operates and see what you come up with.

mine is junk. litterally, junk that i found laying around.
ive spent no more than $35 in 2 yrs, and that was for magnets, bearings and a few pieces of wood. everything else i found for free. my wheel itself is from a large empty spool of cable.
but thats also why the thing breaks, falls apart, the glue comes loose.  if  i had $$ i would build a nice one that didnt have those problems.