Bessler Wheel Theory by Alex

[Alexioco]

"In other words, the weights in my wheel do not move out and in far enough to sustain motion..."
alex

HMMM, i'll give you an A for building a wheel and trying to stay on task. But unfortunately F's all around for the rest of your behaviour. (i get lots of F's to so don't worry)

You were doing so well in the begining with myself and alen and working through thought process's on your own with new eyes which is great. But when you decided you alomost had it and began this campaign of disjointed threads shifting your ides every other day i became very much disinterested. And then the i know something but i'll show you later. C'mon i do that so it drove me crazy.

But Now that you see what happened, hopefully you will change your stategy on how you announce sucess's. Because you are one of the very few who are actually building and learning from models you still have a very good chance of learning and bringing yourself closer to a wheel that spontaneousl begins to rotate. Youv'e seen what doesn't feel right.

You can reread my MT's thoughts page, it will tell you EXACTLY why.
"In other words, the weights in my wheel do not move out and in far enough to sustain motion..."

I am not a wheel expert, but the Mt's were designed to teach, I know your discussing them with other people, and i don't want to get involved with that, I have my opinions which is why i kept them separate in my own thread. But its not about combining the Mt's but learning form them each one will teach you a valuable lesson in the forces that will need to act together in the final working wheel. Its then up to you to be able to put all the pieces together (not literally). I repeat NOT Literally.

I agree, I will not again post anything of success until I have built my wheels...

Also where can I read about your MT thoughts?

[Sprocket]

@Alexioco - what happened to your website...?

http://z11.invisionfree.com/Bessler_Quest/index.php?showforum=1

[markh]

Hey Alex

Have you looked at mt 136 much? 

I have been looking at all of them, and this one just stands out to me, to have something a little unique.   the levers labeled D on the outside of the wheel strike me as something that could be quite usefully implimented in a wheel. 

Imagine that one side of each lever had a weight that was much larger than the other.  The actual weight on each side would be the same.  (ie a 1 pound and a 10 pound weight on each side)  I don't think it would necessarily help the wheel turn, but what it would do is  always want to have the heavy side of the lever down. 

If the wheel were turning clockwise, the lever on the right would have the heavy weight on the bottom, and the light weight on the top.  As it passed the bottom of the wheel, it would rotate 180 degrees to have the heavy weight at the bottom.  It would do the same thing at the top.

I don't see the weights themselves adding rotation, (maybe they would...I haven't built it yet)  but I don't think those rotating weights would take away anything either.   It's like a way of pulling energy from the rotating wheel.   I would think that those rotating levers could be used to help overbalance the wheel elsewhere.

I don't mean to change the topic of the thread, I just thought I would throw that out there.

peace
mark

[markh]

Here's another thought on that same one.  It looks like there are springs near the axel of the design, or threads of a screw.  Both of which could be used.  Either the spring to help with the rotation at the top and bottom (which would be the easiest place for the rotation)

If they are screw threads, I think it's even more interesting.   The rotation of the weights could be used to change the center point of the wheel, thus overbalancing it. 

By the way, I wrote these to Alex, but if anyone else has any kernels of wizdom, I would really love to hear them.


peace
mark

[Alexioco]

Here's another thought on that same one.  It looks like there are springs near the axel of the design, or threads of a screw.  Both of which could be used.  Either the spring to help with the rotation at the top and bottom (which would be the easiest place for the rotation)

If they are screw threads, I think it's even more interesting.   The rotation of the weights could be used to change the center point of the wheel, thus overbalancing it. 

By the way, I wrote these to Alex, but if anyone else has any kernels of wizdom, I would really love to hear them.


peace
mark

Hello Mark, glad to see you are interested and trying, I invite more ideas still

Yes this is a wheel I have not looked at but now that you mention it, it seems something of an importance...

About the large and small lever idea, that seems great and like you said, its getting power from the wheel itself, very good...

The those levers that flip just like "jacobs ladder" could be used to litt other weights, infact, they act just like jacobs ladder, on the descending side one flips to the right and on the ascending side one flips to the left, then this can be used for other things, WOW you have got me thinking now

Alex

Edit: If you look at that wheel and the position of the D's, they all face downward like thats the heavy end, when they flip to the right, they may release a spring and when they flip to the left they may pull them back in...