Free Energy Revealed - Magnet Battery

[Jimboot]

Hi,

3.5V is indeed much for a chemical reaction? First question would be if there is a possibility in your setup to have several galvanic elements in series. If you have, it may well be like 0.9V x 4. If not, at this point I?d say that your friend may be perfectly right. That?s because unless you live in a very remote area, it is most probably you have built a RF antenna; what?s not clear to me is which part of your setup act as a diode but that thought is not very critical as there are explanations at hand.

Thanks Tinu,
That is tremendous feedback. At this stage I'd say the Galvanic battery in series is the most likely but there are some inconsistencies IMO that don't fit the model. Specifically getting Volts through the probe insulation and the brass washer comparison. I'll test with a faraday cage next. Mobile reception is already dodgy inside my tin shed :-)

[tinu]

Thanks Tinu,
That is tremendous feedback. At this stage I'd say the Galvanic battery in series is the most likely but there are some inconsistencies IMO that don't fit the model. Specifically getting Volts through the probe insulation and the brass washer comparison. I'll test with a faraday cage next. Mobile reception is already dodgy inside my tin shed :-)

It?s not big deal, really. And you don?t have to thank; you?ll have plenty of opportunities to help others if you stick around long enough?
Besides, I really like your approach in learning and in conducting experiments. So, welcome to the forum and, most importantly, welcome to the world where theory meets reality and where there are ALWAYS inconsistencies. The only question is if the inconsistencies are of any significance or they are merely a sign of limitation in our equipments and models. In the last case, as you know, the standard language calls it as being ?well fit within the accepted error margins?. First case is more intriguing and large deal of efforts needs to be done by someone before being sure that the ?significant inconsistencies? observed are more than insufficient reading, searching in the literature, education or simply more than self-blindness in the desire of a new and ?great? discovery.

Keep in touch,
Tinu

[Jimboot]

I bought a new multimeter today and my results were consistent. However when I measured amperage and voltage at the same time, the volts dropped from 3 to 0.5 and the amps rose to 50 micros from 16.

[Koen1]

Hmm well that's just plain weird, but let's give it the benefit of the doubt eh

So you do measure a current even when you use a proper isolator material?

Now I assume you're using the horseshoe magnet setup with a soft iron
or steel keeper, and the "dielectric" between the magnet and the keeper?
So you just apply the multimeter probes, one to the magnet and one to the
keeper, and you read this voltage and amperage?
(I'm assuming you used the middle of the magnet and the middle of the keeper?)

Now I'm starting to get the jitters again, even though I have actually performed
this experiment several times in the past (not using horseshoe shaped magnets)
and never got any such results...
But I'm starting to get the feeling I need to try it again, if only for my own piece of mind.

I agree with Tinu that there are some things that suggest there may be something
going on besides just galvanics, such as the proper isolation layer...
And if it were "only" galvanics, then you should indeed be able to get a similar
voltage from any other piece of nickel pressed hard against the iron keeper...
So any difference suggests an additional effect...

I have, by the way, seen the multimeter behaviour you describe often enough.
My primary project is my work on Crystal Energy Cells, which basically and
skipping a lot of complicated talk is research into an alternative form of power
source, much like a normal battery, but without the galvanics. Ehm... Ok,
granted, that sounds weird. Well, it is.
Anyway, I often test my cells for voltage/amperage, and I need to check them
for galvanic reactions too. Won't go into the methods now, but what I'm driving at
is the fact that I very often measure a clearly basically galvanic 1.1 Volts or
something of the sort on the cell electrodes, but as soon as I connect my
double measurement setup to measure amps at the same time, the volts drop
by at least 25% and sometimes a lot more as soon as the amp meter switches on.
Measuring the amperage uses a little of the voltage that was on the electrodes.
Which seems to make some sense, after all, amps is moving electrons, and
volts is static electrons, so when you want to know how many electrons flow
you'll need to get a bunch to flow between the electrodes, which lowers the charge.


I still don't follow what you meant by "switching the meter to 20" but I guess
that'll just have to remain a mystery.

[hypersoniq]

Koen1: Most likely the meter being used is NOT auto-ranging.
I have an old analog meter that required you to know the approximate range BEFORE measuring.
My newer DMM just sets range itself.

One: have you tried BOTH horeshoe magnets thru the dielectric (rather than the one magnet and a keeper)? this should negate the galvanic theory since they are the SAME metal...

As for the NdFeB block etc... magnets. Why not try connecting the washers? one on north one on south, with a thick wire making the "U"?

I MUST go get some magnets and experiment!