Cancer cure, but FDA and doctors would rather have your cash and not the cure.

[professor]

Hi professor,

So in your opinion the "improved" circuit isn't all necessarily better than the old one?

Show me where I made that Statement!

I thought both were just supposed to be producing square waves at around 4Hz?

If you want to produce just Square Waves you could use a 555 Timer


Could you please elaborate on that detrimental part of Blood Electrification, where was that discussed (by supporters of passive devices - what are those passive devices?) ?

Just Google it I am sure you will find it and if you find the opposite please post it as well.


Thanks.

Hi Amigo,
I did not say that the new system is NOT better. Since it is replacing a Relay it is  better in that sense but I see 3 poles on the output and I fail to understand the circuit unless i build  and analyze it. Have you done that?
The Relay did a true Polarity reversal .
Using Zeners and a Capacitor I am not sure if it duplicates the Original Circuit at its output.
Getting Older and not as updated in electronics I  may be missing something or perhaps not.
I no longer have the Electronic Workbench installed on my Computer for me to simulate and test the Circuit either.
But perhaps you can be so kind and explain the Circuit.Call me dumb if you wish.
I know that the  LM 358 Opamp is just a  the multivibrator.
If the rest of the Circuit relies on a capacitor discharge I have my doubts if it achieves true Pole reversal.
As to the Electrification of the blood I do read and store info somewhere. I may remember but don't hold me to it to find it for you.
I am sure you can find it equally well on the Net., unless you are telling me that you have done that and could not find any detrimental   information for blood electrification.
Read Hulda Regehr Clarke's Books I think you may find your Answer in there as well .
I just do not have the time to argue nor do I have any inclination  to do that.
I made a Statement based on my observation and memory and if someone wants to challenge it, he should be doing the homework and show me that I am wrong.
I also commented that I prefer to see a combination of other features combined with this Circuit not knocking the circuit for what it is.
I think your comment regarding my comments were taken out of context, but thanks goodness we all have our own opinion.
So if you feel up to the challenge go for it. Strange though that you are never critical of Stiffler and his "SELFRUNNING"?
Perhaps you are somewhat biased ? Could be some of the reason that I did not take you up on your Offer you know what I am talking about.

professor

[professor]

Hi professor,

So in your opinion the "improved" circuit isn't all necessarily better than the old one? I thought both were just supposed to be
producing square waves at around 4Hz?

Could you please elaborate on that detrimental part of Blood Electrification, where was that discussed (by supporters of passive devices - what are those passive devices?) ?

Thanks.

Hi Amigo,

I did some more recent research and found that the consensus on Blood electrification has changed somewhat and
different than 10 Years ago
But even today if you use straight DC a unwanted electrolysis  occurs which can be detrimental.

http://community.freespeech.org/blood_electrification_suppressed

"Passing 50 to 100 microamperes of simple d.c. electrical current through infected blood disables the pathogens and stops it reproducing it was discovered in 1992 but suppressed as pharmaceutical companies would lose vast sums of money due to its broad spectrum application."


http://educate-yourself.org/fc/fcbbeck1.shtml

"Now if you apply a direct current (DC) potential to the skin, you're going to get an electrolysis effect and that can cause problems,so Beck designed a circuit that varied the voltage with an alternating current (AC) at a very low frequency and avoided the electrolysis problem.The waveform that Beck chose is not the typical sine wave seen in AC household outlets, but rather is a bi-phasic square wave, meaning that the waveform voltage has a positive half and a negative half, allowing the current to reverse direction each half cycle. Square waves generate a large number of harmonics. Harmonics are frequency multiples of the original frequency. Odd harmonics are multiples of the original frequency multiplied by 3, 5, 7 etc. and even harmonics are multiples of 2. For example, the odd harmonics of a 4 Hertz (Hz) square wave would be 12 Hz , 20 Hz, 28 Hz,  etc. right up into the radio frequency range."
There you have it.But I am still at odds with the New Circuit every link leads to Becks Relay operated circuit   Why?
professor

[amigo]

Hi professor,

I will run both the original and the "improved" circuit through the EWB and see what happens, can't hurt, right.

Hulda Clarke is just one source and I really like having alternative sources, and confirmations or rebuttals.

Personally I am not sure what is the minimum current/voltage that will produce electrolysis in blood but I'd like to find out. I believe the problem is that we can not monitor internal processes in the body, real-time or not, and that is a big drawback, in my humble opinion.

About Dr. Stiffler, if you read his thread from the start I was one of the major critics at the beginning, and even got flamed for it by another member who was an adamant defender and just went to chew me over.

Either way, I do not think you had the right to be disrespectful to him as a person, as you were on several occasions in your posts to him. It is just not part of NETiquette, especially when a decent scientific debate could've suffice. Can you imagine how much other people could've learned if two educated and experienced electronics wizs' engaged in a debate, supporting it with theory and practice.

Instead, you were like two grumpy old men, stubborn and vengeful. But I also lay blame on Stefan for not knowing how to run forums, or having proper moderators that would impose basic civility and respect among posters.

Regardless of all that, you seem to think everyone is after you, to get you, even me. I do not know how less threatening can I present myself than I already have. Maybe it's just my bad choice of words I use that somehow makes you think I'm trying to start an argument with you each time.

In all honesty you appear to me to have a great deal of knowledge and since that's my pursuit I have hoped to learn something new from you. Yet you seem overly paranoid, for whatever reason, and are closing doors even to true enquirers.

All this makes me somewhat sad but I will not dwell over it, always looking ahead.

[professor]

Hi professor,

I will run both the original and the "improved" circuit through the EWB and see what happens, can't hurt, right.

Hulda Clarke is just one source and I really like having alternative sources, and confirmations or rebuttals.

Personally I am not sure what is the minimum current/voltage that will produce electrolysis in blood but I'd like to find out. I believe the problem is that we can not monitor internal processes in the body, real-time or not, and that is a big drawback, in my humble opinion.

About Dr. Stiffler, if you read his thread from the start I was one of the major critics at the beginning, and even got flamed for it by another member who was an adamant defender and just went to chew me over.

Either way, I do not think you had the right to be disrespectful to him as a person, as you were on several occasions in your posts to him. It is just not part of NETiquette, especially when a decent scientific debate could've suffice. Can you imagine how much other people could've learned if two educated and experienced electronics wizs' engaged in a debate, supporting it with theory and practice.

Instead, you were like two grumpy old men, stubborn and vengeful. But I also lay blame on Stefan for not knowing how to run forums, or having proper moderators that would impose basic civility and respect among posters.

Regardless of all that, you seem to think everyone is after you, to get you, even me. I do not know how less threatening can I present myself than I already have. Maybe it's just my bad choice of words I use that somehow makes you think I'm trying to start an argument with you each time.

In all honesty you appear to me to have a great deal of knowledge and since that's my pursuit I have hoped to learn something new from you. Yet you seem overly paranoid, for whatever reason, and are closing doors even to true enquirers.

All this makes me somewhat sad but I will not dwell over it, always looking ahead.

Hi Amigo
Yes its hard to know what is best the verdict appears to be that 50 to 100 Micro amps at 27 volt DC  is sufficient  but  the Polarity should be switched from time to time which makes sense as you do not want to cause  electrolysis to happen.
As to Stiffler  yes after being threatened by him because of a different point of view I started heckling him.
A letter of complaint and all the Details were forwarded to Stefan.
You never saw Stifflers Email  to me so I wont blame you for thinking the way you do.
But remember there are always two sides to a story,and there are two kinds of people one that listens fairly to both sides and the other that likes to remain biased because he  likes to kiss butt.
Besides even after the passing of 8 Month and a lot of Bull he still has not come up with anything that he Claims which is SELFRUNNING.
Any RF Technician should see right through his scheme.
Well if you wish to remain blind good luck and all the power to you.But remember he pissed off a lot more people than he has believers.
professor

[amigo]

Hi professor,

I haven't had a chance yet to put the circuits into EWB but even when I do I doubt I'll get all the answers I want because simulation is one thing, and plugging this circuit to the body and let it run is another.

You are right, I do not know the whole story about Dr. Stiffler, but what I said was based on the information I had available to me. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong about any claims, the way we interact with each other is very important to me, as you can see. Because we lack understanding and are quick to judge each other, we end up in arguments and fights.

Until we learn to truly live and work together, we'll get nowhere...