Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!

[otto]

Hello all,

@Observer

I see you know your "job".

TPU = toroidal power unit.

3 collectors, multiturn wound in a horizontal direction. In this moment with a lamp wire.
3 controls,  bifilar wound over the 3 collectors.

The 3 controls are feeded with 3 frequencies with square waves. In our TPUs we see the kicks as we call them. That are spikes that builds up when the square wave hits in the first moment the control coil. With square waves of say 12V we see in our controls spikes - kicks in hundreds of volts or even in kilovolts. Of course, this is useless if you dont know how to use such kicks in kilovolts.

This is in short.

All the time we used air cores until I got a little advice to try it with cores. I really dont have to mention the difference because its obvious. We all know this from our books. Thats classic, to say so.

The point is in the metal we, or I, as Im alone for now, use in this TPU.

As I didnt had better cores I used TVs yokes. That are iron powder cores. With just a 5 turns lamp wire wound inside the core and 15 turns for the control coil wound over the core and the lamp wire in horizontal direction I lighted almost my 100W bulb. Without this core I would have NO light.

Then I wound the same over a core from a toroidal transformer. We know what core such a transformer has. I had NO light, nothing. Maybe a little glowing but a much lower frequencies. We all should know why.

For myself is now the question what kind of core to use. Yes, Metglas with high permeability. You mentioned 1 000 000. Yes. Metglas magnetic alloy 2714A.

This is really worth a try.

The point with the cores in a TPU is that such cores are Ok but there is a "limit": in the last 3 weeks or so I wound every day a TPU to get more power out of my cores: NO WAY. My iron powder core limited me to use only a 100W bulb. Nothing more.

From my earlier tests, you can see them i the ECD TPU pdf, I saw that for a collector would be the best solution to use an alloy of various metals and as I see for the core is also the best solution to use alloys.

In your 1. post you mentioned that the magnetic field ADDS up......I only can agree because I can see and feel it. When I pulse my coils at low frequencies and I hold a little magnet inside my TPU, I can clearly feel the strong magnetic field inside my TPU.

Yesterday? I think, Butch la Fonte jumped out that cores we use are important.

I alreday posted once that we are now entering  the age of pulsed coils but it seems that I was wrong!

WE ARE ENTERING THE AGE OF PULSED COILS AND CORES!!!

Ha,ha, what a statement.

Otto

PS: keep up your good work.

[The Observer]

Mister Charlie,

I am pretty sure you have come to understand what I am talking about.

  It is very important (from my interpretation) to understand that there is energy in the iron in the first place.
    The energy comes from 2 unpaired electrons spinning around an atom.
      This is like a mini coil that produces a magnetic field without a battery.
         We really don't know what powers it... but it is there, and it's energy can be used.

  It is important, to view this atom as a magnetic dipole that can spin 360 degrees about its center.
    It has a "stickyness", I call it, called COERCIVE FORCE.
       Some materials have a very high coercive force (Very Sticky) this is what magnets are made from. The dipoles are pretty much fixed.
          Some materials  have a very low coercive force (Lubed Up and Ready To Spin). This is what transformer iron does. The dipoles spin freely.

  It is important to grasp that there is a quantum effect that causes these ferromagnetic dipoles to line up with their neighbors when they shouldn't.
   That is, if you put 2 compasses too close together, they will spin and line up N to S   Not   N  to N.
      This means there is energy that overcomes the energy that would make the dipoles line up N to S.

  Finally, it is important to fathom when these dipoles and their magnetic domains (refer above) are "randomly" oriented, the energy of the dipoles ADDS up to  basically nil.
     When they are organized (by a surprisingly small amount of energy), they ADD up to a something significant that can not only be measured by doing a simple electromagnet experiment,
         but also could be used in a device to do usable work or energy generation.
            (which by the way already happens... it's just not recognized as such... consider a loudspeaker using only coils)

Now you talk about back torque to keep the energy balanced...

   I say let's stop trying to balance energy. Quantum Physics doesn't play by those old fuddy duddy rules.
    Electrons, Protons and other various Quantum Particles aren't all that concerned with the way things appear here in Big Land.

It's time for a new paradigm, and I'm pretty sure you and I are on one of the forefronts of this change.

Let the Good Times Roll,

                                    The Observer

[tishatang]

@Otto
I find it surprising that there is so much difference in using cores from a TV yoke or a toroid with the same windings.  Have you considered that maybe the shape is a factor and not the difference in kind of core?  I refer you to here:

http://rexresearch.com/boutard/boutard.htm

Scroll down to fig. 3b.  What you have with the TV yoke winding is the top half of this shape!

To determine if shape is a factor, you could add the bottom half of the winding?  Take your existing TV yolk setup and place it wide part up.  Find a suitable size paper cup that fits the diameter and tape it down to use it as a winding form.   If you wrap the cup with double sided tape, it will help hold the wire as you wind it.   Now place the bulb across the whole winding as in fig. 3b.   If the bulb is brighter, it proves that the shape is a factor.  This would be good news, because we can use this patent as a guide to what is happening.  The patent is difficult to read because it is a translation from French.

It could be that the vertical control winding you added has taken what was a passive aether tapping device and converted it into an active aether tapping device?  In other words, by pulsing the control winding you are stressing the aether and it is rebounding which is driving the light bulb to full brightness?

I hope this helps.
Tishatang

[Charlie_V]

@ Observer
Sounds good to me, my fingers are crossed.

@otto
Thanks for explaining what TPUs are, I've read the forums and kinda grasped pulsing and the like.  If you are powering 100W light bulbs, what is the wattage entering from the 12 Volt battery?  I assume you are using a car battery - because of the 12 volts - and your chopping it with a relay or transistor?

I'm wondering this because car batteries have quite a bit of power in them, its 12 volts at like 900 amps or something - crazy energy.  Now 100W light bulbs are usually rated for 120V, and your step up circuit TPU could be resonantly stepping up the voltage so that there is enough pressure to make the light bulbs light up.  Sorry, I guess what I'm getting at is have you been able to achieve overunity with your TPU yet?  If not, what are the limitations you feel that are holding it back.  If you are achieving overunity, what do I need to power my house haha.

@nul-points

hmmmm - are we both thinking of his latest developments?  the most recent schematic i've just seen appears to be all  about addressing the back-torque problem

if i understand it correctly, he believes he's seeing evidence that a magnet entirely enclosed within a solenoid doesn't experience the same back-torque as one which extends anywhere outside the coil

All I saw is the pictures on that link that was given.  He had pictures and graphic animations.  Maybe I was looking at the wrong thing but what I saw didn't seem to say anything about addressing back torque.  By looking at the animations I could deduce that back torque would still be a problem - I could be wrong though, and I could be looking at the wrong thing. 

Giving the flux another path to travel will help, but it will also reduce the amount of flux used to make electricity.  So in the end everything balances back out.  What is left that interacts will suffer back torque - I say this because I've tried similar experiments as La Fonte and those were my results.  Although my setups were not quite the same, it was the same principle.  You have to map out how the flux will interact from the coil. 

The setup I have right now (which I just added the motor to yesterday) SHOULD leave the flux in the coil no place to go when generated.  In reality it seems to couple slightly to the moving magnet part BUT this coupling SHOULD be an additive coupling, not subtractive like in the normal case.  HOWEVER, I'm saying SHOULD and BUT because I need to test these.

My plan is to use a motor to spin everything up and monitor the current in the motor.  If I short the coil, I should see an increase in the current to the motor IF it suffers from back torque in the normal way.  If it follows the way I've mapped the fields out (which seems to be the way the flux behaves when I measure it with a gauss meter) then I should see either no change in the current to the motor or even a REDUCTION in that current.  Both of those results I feel would be amazing. 

If I don't get a chance to do this tomorrow it will be sometime next week.  This weekend I'm trying to finish building a magnifying transformer as an overdue class project.  I'll let you know how my generator experiment works once its conducted.

Best Regards,
Charlie

[otto]

Hello all,

@tishatang

only the core counts!

Im always somehow thinking about my ECD and now, about the iron powder core TPU.

I see some similarities:

In some way the ECD had also cores: the windings of my controls. That was a biiiig copper "core" for every control coil, to say it in this way. A core AND a control coil. Or how would you explain the very good work of my ECD?
Now I have the "iron" TPU.
I see that what ever I do with the windings this TPU always needs around 2 - 3A from my PS. I used 12V from the PS or 24V. The same current but a better light with 24V. Of course, when I use 24V from the PS then I have to find a higher frequency mix to get a better light but this is for me well known.

In my setup it seems that Im NOT stressing the aether for now. Im stressing the little particles inside the core. And this is why a core material is very important. From Observers posts you can read much better informations about the cores, how they work....I can see it. I hope not to feel it but....

For this little "thing" is the shape NOT important. About the shape we can discuss when we get to bigger TPUs.

@Charlie

Im using a power supply and when I see the wanted effects then a car battery.

Maybe you noticed or not, Im NEVER talking about overunity or such nonsense. The point is this:

If my TPU needs 0,1A or 5A from the power supply I dont care because I have to feed back only a little fraction of the output into the input to sustain the particles swirling inside my TPU. So, if my TPU is "happy" with amperes or miliamperes then Im happy too. If we use a 9V battery as we "see" in a video, this battery drives only 1 transistor....

For tis statement maybe somebody will hang me but Im wrighting what I see.

The important point for all TPUs is: high voltage kicks inside the TPU, then converting this high voltage ( kilovolts) into a low voltage (100 - 300V) with a transformer ( this knowledge is NOT from me, as alreday said but from a very clever man who has much more knowledge the I have) and connect a bulb or more and enjoy. You remember the videos? There are extra toroids in the middle of the 15" unti - output transformers! In the 6" unit a toroid sitting on top of the TPU - output transformer!

Heeeey, you cat use a voltage in kilovolts!!

Got it?

Otto

PS: what a boring post!