Magnetic Permeability ... I can't find anyone talking about this !!!!!

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hi all

some interesting synthesis of knowledge coming together here on this thread - kudos, Observer for your persistence!

i've been reading about the work of some physicists who have re-visited Maxwell's work on magnetism - it's heavy stuff, full of Divs, Grads & Curls

i always wondered if i'd ever get to actually use any of this stuff in real life after i left college and for 30+ years the answer has been a definite NO

so, it's a bit late for me to pick up the pieces now, but i'm really glad that those math tools have an important part to play in understanding the real fundamentals of electricity and related energy issues - i believe there is going to be a revolution in physics (and elec eng in particular) when this finally becomes the accepted understanding of what's going on, down at the particle level

things like: fields of force being due to a double-helix of electron-positron pairs - energy exchange between electron & positron due to the interaction between these helices and the all-pervading background fabric of the universe (the vacuum medium - or 'aether', as was)

explanations which show that magnetic permeability is the factor which measure the ability of a material to concentrate the 'aether' and hence magnify the energetic effects associated

it appears that Maxwell knew full well that the underlying 'mechanism' of the universe was of such a nature, that it operated with a multitude of vortex interactions - hence the math operator 'curl' being applied where necessary in the equations to describe those interactions

Maxwell (and others around his time) envisaged the 'aether' to be a 'sea' of particle vortices - in Maxwell's time it could only be attributed to the particles of which they were aware

Bernoulli developed his useful fluid equations on the basis of such a fundamental aspect of our physical universe

current 'open-minded' physicists believe that the aether operates at a much finer level - the modern concept (still in development) of the aether is that it can pass through matter like an open-weave basket passes through water; it can detach locally to move with objects (eg the magnetosphere around the earth is likely an 'aether' phenomenon) - and it appears possible that it is involved in many aspect of inertia that we experience, such as the 'Aspden effect'

H Aspden found that when measuring the power required to start up electric motors (possibly with flywheel or generator loads), less power was needed to re-start a motor within a few minutes of a previous runup than when the motor had not been run for a longer time

gyroscopic & precessive action also appear to be explained by the existence of a vacuum medium which exhibits this 'sea of vortices' behaviour


thanks to TishaTang for the link above - yes, very interesting reads - i've dipped into David's writings before - inspirational and an important link in the chain bringing a lot of these concepts together

re: soliton waves - an interesting example from nature can be found in the 'Severn bore' - a solitary wave which occurs, when the right pre-conditions exist, along the river between Wales & England - real enough to allow attempts to surf it!

keep the momentum going, Observer
sandy
Doc Ringwood's Free Energy site  http://ringcomps.co.uk/doc

[Charlie_V]

current 'open-minded' physicists

Haha yes, all 5 of them! 

[tishatang]

@Observer and Charlie_V

The ring of magnets reminds me of a pulse motor concept I came up with a couple of years ago.  Link here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1086.msg8420.html#msg8420

Someone said it would not self-run, so it seemed to have died on the vine.  I still think it would make a good pulse motor design for a hub motor for a bicycle.  There are millions of Ebikes here in china.  They are only getting about 20 mile range.   I bet a pulse motor capturing the energy to charge a second battery ala Bedini would give maybe 40 mile range?

Tishatang

[The Observer]

Charlie,

     Wow, you came up with the same idea and ordered 150 magnets to see if it would work.
       That's cool !
         Sounds like something I would do, cept I didn't have the cash for all the magnets at the time.

   You say It would not spin once the circle was completed.
      I found this too, cept I had constructed a very small one... about 3 1/2 inches in diameter using a Rollerblade Wheel.
       It didn't work and was maybe uneven, but I also attributed failure to it being too small... where the magnetic field of the other side of the circle interfered.

   In fact.. I had first put some magnets on a my Mt Bike wheel (20 inch I think), cept 6 magnets where positioned on the wheel vertically and angled,
   then I positioned magnets around the outside to keep it spinning.
     I ran out of magnets, but if the circle on the wheel doesn't work for some reason, I really think the other configuration (1 or 2 rows on the wheel), then magnets around the edge would.

                                 Well, I digress since this thread is about constructing a device that utilizes 2  coils, an appropriate ferromagnetic core,
                                                          a resonant circuit and ferromagnetic resonant frequencies to achieve 'overunity'.

By the way, Terry did post a link to Howard Johnson's work which (in my opinion) should considered by anyone serious about magnets.
   Mario may have brought this up in his post too...
     Thankyou kindly gentlemen.

Link...         http://www.scribd.com/doc/34317/Spintronics-The-Secret-World-of-Magnets-2006-by-Howard-Johnson

       To summarize briefly, Howard Johnson appears to be one of the first (if not the first) to meticulously measure and map the field of a magnet with a Hall Effect Sensor.
       By this I mean, measure 1000's of points around a magnet, and a measurement of x,y and z at each point.
       Clever guy rigged up an IBM computer and a few servo motors to do this automatically as well as accurately.
       What you get looks NOTHING like the iron fillings (which become small magnets) test that we are all accustomed to.
   
               

       This is a picture of the N end of a magnet... 2 Vortexes !
       Apparently the S end is like this, except the Vortex on the left is a bit bigger.

       He uses these vortexes to understand how to make magnet motor like devices and to explain how they work.

Sandman,
   
          Thanks for you post.
            Sounds like you have been dipping your head into the rabbit hole a bit yourself.
              I looked at the Soliton Waves of Severn-Bore in Great Britain. 
                Pretty neat, I would definitely like to see this some day.
               
                   

Tango,

   I looked at the post you mentioned.
    It looks interesting.
     Perhaps some information about Magnetic Permeability uncovered here gives you some new ideas.


                                  Now... I have come across another device that may be of use in the 'transformer' I am conceiving of.

                                                          It is called... an Electro Magnetic Resonator or Cavity Resonator.

                                             This is what it is....
                                                                          "A hollow conductor that uses resonance"

                                            This is what it does...
                                                                            "amplify an electromagnetic wave"

Refer here....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonator

From what I understand,
                                   the frequency amplified in this device has to do with the size of the cavity
                                          relating to the size of that specific frequency's wavelength.

In other words... a frequency with a wavelength of 1 cm would resonate and be amplified in a cavity that has a diameter of 1 cm.

                                    I ask anyone with knowledge of Electromagnetic Cavity Resonators to post their understanding of it !

So, in light of this new information, the device I hope to build has these properties...

                          2 coils wrapped around a ferromagnetic core (of Low Coercivity and high Magnetic Permeability).
                                                          This core also has 1 or many resonant cavities .
                               The cavity resonance is the same as the ferromagnetic core's Ferromagnetic Resonance.
                         A low power resonant circuit is set up on the 1st coil (I will let you guess the frequency of this circuit)  ;o)
                                                                     The 2nd coil enjoys the bounty.

Tesla, can you hear me knocking?

                                                 The Observer
                         




       

[tishatang]

@Observer

I am going to guess the resonant frequency of the first coil would be 174.7 K hz or 180 K hz    This frequency has been mentioned by several researchers.  The cavity frequency would have to be a high harmonic because a cavity at 180 Khz  would be pretty big?

If I recall, magnetron tubes use resonant cavities to amplify the microwaves.

Tishatang