Generating H and O separately

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cases of running an ICE*:

a) no air only HHO=> perfect balance
b) air + HHO only=> excess oxygen .some oxygen can be dumped from HHO to allow for more power to be produced.
c)  air + normal amount of fuel+ HHO=>HHO carries its own oxygen but there is not enough oxygen for fuel.HHO displaces oxygen from the air.
d)  air + normal amount of fuel+ H2 => fuel competes with H2 for oxygen tu burn,also less oxygen is coming to the engine( than normally),because of the gaseous form of H2 displacing air.
e)  air + lowered fuel amount+ H2=>OK.lower power because of substitution of fuel by gaseous h2
d)  air + lowered fuel amount+ HHO=>OK.lower power because of substitution of fuel by gaseous HHO



*substantial amount of HHO must be supplied to make any differece.Accounted for HHO,H2 in gaseous form.

Not sure that I understand this symbol combination: "=>"  Does it mean "equal or greater"?

I totally get what you are saying, but I just don't see how to regulate the fuel going to the engine, without any sort of standard pressure.  It will put your mixture all over the place and wreak havoc with you mixture of combustibles.  You need to remove some of these variables.  This "perfect" molar combination isn't cutting it.

When someone can show me HHO running into the intake track of an engine and making it run in any sort of regular way, I will buy in.

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Anyway, back to the subject of separate H and O generators.

This company seems to have some pretty solid HHO generators, which are small, low amperage, and generate about 2 liters of HHO a minute. 

http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/index.html

The problem is that for the concept I want to try, I need the gases separated.

Does Anyone know of a company producing a comparable product with separate generation?

[Athopi]

I understand what you are saying about the HHO.  The problem I see is standardizing the production.  If production is just on demand, it will never match up with the specific needs of an engine, unless you are using the production to control the throttle.  Also, you can't bleed off or store excess gas, because it is flammable.  It might work for a generator, but not anything that is going to require metered delivery

A buffer, or storage cell, will allow some sort of generating control, based on the pressure in that cell.  The oxygen component can be dumped into the intake track right in front of the carb / injector, without any concern as to where it goes.  There would be some inconsistency with the oxygen component vs. hydrogen, but it seems like that would be minimal, due to the fact that the engine is going to use almost every bit of gas produced by a generator anyway.

The way I see it is this: If, at maximum demand, your engine needs 7 psi of gas you make sure your HHO system can produce 7 or more. Most vehicles will not need maximum gas pressure all the time, so what to do with the excess?  I think an accumulator tank between the gas generator and the engine would be useful at say 20 to 40 psi (depending on the size of the tank and cubic demand of the engine). Then, like on an air tank compressor set up, there would be a poppet valve, to insure no overpressurization, and a pressure cut off.  Only, instead of the pressure cutoff controlling the electric motor like on an air set up, it would disconnect power to your gas generator. Then, as the system psi reduce due to usage, the switch on the accumulator would cycle and turn the generator back on until there was again enough pressure in the tank. The intermittant running of the gas generator should also help in its cooling.

Granted, HHO is more volitile than just plain H because you have the accelerant right there, but a properly sealed, vented and grounded system should be just as safe, or more, than the gasoline we use now.

[22350]

The way I see it is this: If, at maximum demand, your engine needs 7 psi of gas you make sure your HHO system can produce 7 or more. Most vehicles will not need maximum gas pressure all the time, so what to do with the excess?  I think an accumulator tank between the gas generator and the engine would be useful at say 20 to 40 psi (depending on the size of the tank and cubic demand of the engine). Then, like on an air tank compressor set up, there would be a poppet valve, to insure no overpressurization, and a pressure cut off.  Only, instead of the pressure cutoff controlling the electric motor like on an air set up, it would disconnect power to your gas generator. Then, as the system psi reduce due to usage, the switch on the accumulator would cycle and turn the generator back on until there was again enough pressure in the tank. The intermittant running of the gas generator should also help in its cooling.

Granted, HHO is more volatile than just plain H because you have the acceleration right there, but a properly sealed, vented and grounded system should be just as safe, or more, than the gasoline we use now.

Yes, I would not have this accumulator with HHO, as it is too volatile and would basically be a bomb.  With the Hydrogen, as long as you don't put it under great pressure or make it too big, you can deal with the issue of storage.

P

[Athopi]

H storage isn't really a problem. There are large, carbon fiber tanks for H I've seen online rated to 3000psi. It would be interesting to see some research data at what pressures and volumes HHO storage is do-able at the volumes and pressures we need.