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magnetic battery

Started by Creativity, June 23, 2008, 07:31:45 AM

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Creativity

last days i trouble my brain with some new energy storage possibilities for a vehicle.I never heard of a magnetic battery? does it exist?
my first thought would be a magnet inside of a coil.When warmed beyond Curie point,domains would disorder generating some magnetic fluxes through the coil and generating electricity.For example a weak earth magnetic field could be used in combination with sun heat to magnetize the magnet back.
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Koen1

I believe that is a tested concept, if I'm not mistaken it is referred to
as an "adiabatic magnetic generator", or at least that seems very close...
The version that comes to mind is one where the magnetic domains are
aligned by a magnetic field and then the field is dropped, allowing the
magnetic domains in a soft iron core to 'randomly' rearrange themselves
according to environmental "thermal" noise. If I recall correctly that was
found to be a functional principle but output was extremely low compared
to relatively high input, although in a certain ideal situation it could
produce minimal amounts of power.

To do this with the curie point by heating it seems like an inefficient
way, seems to me more output could be derived from direct thermoelectric
effect... But I may be wrong of course. ;)

But the main reason for there not being a magnetic battery is, in my opinion,
the fact that generation of current from a magnet needs active fluctuations of
the field intensity and/or polarity, so it needs to be an actively oscillating system,
and that falls in the category of electrodynamic generators while batteries
fall under the category of electrochemical reactors and need only contact surfaces
between different chemicals/elements to undergo reaction. 
So it's a different type of beastie.

But in theory concepts such as "Bearden's" MEG should work, as should
variations on the concept. Basically, you can put a permanent magnet in
a transformer core exactly in the middle so half the flux goes around one
side of the core and the other half around the other side. Then you wrap
two small "primaries" or "controller coils" around the top or bottom "arms"
of the core, and two larger "secondaries" or "collector coils" around the
side "arms" of the core (where a normal core would have the primary and
secondary coils). Now you can feed alternating current to the "primaries"
in such a way that the flux from the central magnet is opposed by
one "primary" and in alignment with the other "primary", which guides
all of the magnets flux through the one leg of the core. At the moment
all the flux "flips" to that "leg" of the core, the "secondary" there will
"see" the flux in its core leg double in intensity, and it will generate a current.
Right after that, we alternate the polarity of the current through the "primaries",
and 100% of the magnets flux will now "flip" over to the other "leg".
This again induces a current in the "secondary" that has just lost all of the
flux in its "core leg", and at the same time it induces a current in the "secondary"
that suddenly "sees" all of the flux enter its formerly empty "leg".
And if we keep "flipping" the flux this way, we should be able to get output,
the power of which should be proportional to the strength of the permanent
magnets field and the frequency of oscillation.
Theoretically we should be able to get more out than we put in that way,
because it takes less energy to guide existing flux through one of two
flux paths of equal length than it takes to actually produce that same
amount of flux (like a normal transformer does, and there are already
transformers of the normal type that are 98% efficient...).

OU has been claimed for the MEG, but for some reason it is still not
available on the open market... It was said they had trouble closed-looping
the thing, but at the same time COPs of 300+% have been mentioned...

Creativity

interesting.U know what is for me so strange?that electricity and magnetism are easily transformed one in the other but there is no need of changing of electric field to get a magnetic one.Aja... wait   :) actually a current is flowing through a coil so it is also kind of dynamic.Would be nice to have a flowing magnetic current... or for example a bursts of magnetc field are also ok.
If light is electromagnetic wave ,why there is no materials that are getting magnetic field when light falls on them (but there are PV that do it for electricity) or r there?. we seems to be trapped into electricity only.something is not matching

hmm what would happen if a light was to travel in a circle(like in a bend optic fibre)...
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By being intensively responsive to what others say,i do run a risk: I open myself up to the opinions of others.i will,at times, have a great understanding for their opinion.Sometimes,i will even change my own opinion because i realize that the other person is right.This "risk" i do not run if i am unresponsive to what others say.

resonanceman

Quote from: Creativity on June 24, 2008, 09:50:58 AM
interesting.U know what is for me so strange?that electricity and magnetism are easily transformed one in the other but there is no need of changing of electric field to get a magnetic one.Aja... wait   :) actually a current is flowing through a coil so it is also kind of dynamic.Would be nice to have a flowing magnetic current... or for example a bursts of magnetc field are also ok.
If light is electromagnetic wave ,why there is no materials that are getting magnetic field when light falls on them (but there are PV that do it for electricity) or r there?. we seems to be trapped into electricity only.something is not matching

hmm what would happen if a light was to travel in a circle(like in a bend optic fibre)...


It  seems to me that there is  alot  of possabilities  in this area .

In many ways  magnetic flux  flows much like  electric current . 

Has anyone  really  studied   magnetic  flux in this way?

What  would it take to make a magnetic  oscilator ?
It seems to me that any  magnetic oscilator  would  also be  a motionless  generator   


gary

Koen1

Quote from: resonanceman on June 24, 2008, 10:32:23 AM
In many ways  magnetic flux  flows much like  electric current . 
Well, actually it doesn't. Magnetic flux differs from electrical current in more ways
than it shows similarities.

QuoteHas anyone  really  studied   magnetic  flux in this way?
I think many people have, and most have concluded that flux and current are
very different things. Some have not, but they tend to jump to conclusions
or see proof for their own assumptions where logical deduction does not.

QuoteWhat  would it take to make a magnetic  oscilator ?
A flux capacitor. ;D
And if you have that, then call the X-files because only the mad scientist
from "Back to the Future" has managed to build one. ;) :D

QuoteIt seems to me that any  magnetic oscilator  would  also be  a motionless  generator
Yes, it could be. If you can make one.
Well, of course, you can make an oscillator where the B-field oscillates, but that is a normal
self-oscillating LC-circuit. In other words, a capacitor and a coil, and a bit of charge on the
capacitor to start the oscillation.
And that's not what you're talking about, is it?
After all, that's a very common piece of technology.